Hugo Chavez Loves Free Speech...

Who gave Saddam chemical and biological weapons? And what biological weapons did Saddam have? :rolleyes:

It certainly wasnt the US or the UK. I saw numbers and language on military hardware in Iraq and it was eastern eurpopean. We were made to carry BATS tablet and got injections as they thought he may have biological weapons. As far as i know they never found any.
 
Who gave Saddam chemical and biological weapons? And what biological weapons did Saddam have? :rolleyes:

Sorry WildCat, I meant to take you off ignore sooner.

The weapons were sold by the Reagan and Bush sr. administrations with extensive financial credits. They included anthrax and nerve gas. You may be aware of the attack that took place against the Kurds using these agents? Like I said few people took notice and your question w/ the eye roll seems to be an example of that.
 
doe UK TV stations have to follow the UK laws?

Does that nakes the laws right? You have just proved that Chavez is not following the law and showing too much programming. Well done.

Does the oppositon get equal airtime? There are no such laws in the UK except for election times and emergencies.
 
thats not true at all. they are forced, the debate is about how often and how long.

http://cidh.org/countryrep/Venezuela2009eng/VE09.TOC.eng.htm

I have given a link to a report by a part of the OAS which states this

Additionally, the information received indicates that in 2008, communications media had transmitted 186 blanket broadcasts (172 hours and 55 minutes), while in July of 2009, there were 75 messages broadcast (88 hours and 19 minutes). The information also shows that on January 13, 2009, the longest blanket broadcast of the period of 1999-2009 was aired, equivalent to 7 hours and 34 minutes. Such figures do not include the transmission of the program Aló Presidente, the ten minutes daily for governmental messages imposed by the Law on Social Responsibility in Radio and Television, or the official publicity that is typical in television or radio

The OAS are not anti Chavez.
 
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Which are, in the meantime, continuously bombarded with government messages about the evils of the opposition and the exploits of Hugo the Great. Do you really think there is adequate room for a democratic debate in the light of all the evidence presented?

McHrozni


And bear in mind. RCTV were one of the few nationwide stations prior to 2007 that reached a huge amount of the population. Globo does not. There is even less opposition media outaside Globo viewing areas.
 
Evidence?
$300 million to FARC:
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez must explain documents found on Colombian rebel computers that Washington and Bogota charge show deep ties between the leftist leader and the guerrillas, a top U.S. official said.

And:
Spain and Venezuela headed toward a potential diplomatic face-off after a Spanish judge on Monday accused Caracas of collaborating with rebel groups to assassinate Colombian President Álvaro Uribe and other top political figures.

Spanish National Court Judge Eloy Velasco alleged Monday that the Venezuelan government had collaborated with Basque separatist group ETA and Colombia's main guerrilla group in a plot against leaders living in or traveling to Spain that began in late 2003.

..."There is evidence…showing the cooperation of the Venezuelan government in the illegal collaboration between FARC and ETA," according to the indictment.
 
Sorry WildCat, I meant to take you off ignore sooner.

The weapons were sold by the Reagan and Bush sr. administrations with extensive financial credits. They included anthrax and nerve gas. You may be aware of the attack that took place against the Kurds using these agents? Like I said few people took notice and your question w/ the eye roll seems to be an example of that.
Absolute, 100% nonsense.

I guess that's why you've provided no evidence.

Oh well, it's a derail anyway.
 
Once more, the Chavez supporters were shown to be, as usual, useful idiots who fell for the "socialist" rhetoric of yet another typical Latin-American-Politics El Presidente type.

Having been proven suckers again, they try to change the subject to the sure-fire "let's blame the USA for something". But even if the USA was the worst nation in the history of the world, that is simply irrelevant to the issue of whether Chavez is a dictator or not.

The truth is, he obviously is, and nobody except those naive enough to believe his ridiculous "socialist" rhetoric, of the same sort used by every left-leaning dictator, couldn't see it.

The reaction towards Chavez is a classic example of the old saying, "there are none so blind as those who would not see".
 
Sorry WildCat, I meant to take you off ignore sooner.

I like it when people put you on "ignore" and then keep TELLING you you're on their "ignore" list, apparently in an attempt to shame you into changing your mind.
 
I said he was just going to be on for a week after Captain Sassy vouched for him as being a good poster. I didn't notice he'd been asking me questions until I saw him quoted.
 
Absolute, 100% nonsense.

I guess that's why you've provided no evidence.

Oh well, it's a derail anyway.

http://www.gulfwarvets.com/arison/banking.htm

The Senate Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs has oversight responsibility for the Export Administration Act. Pursuant to the Act, Committee staff contacted the U.S. Department of Commerce and requested information on the export of biological materials during the years prior to the Gulf War. After receiving this information, we contacted a principal supplier of these materials to determine what, if any, materials were exported to Iraq which might have contributed to an offensive or defensive biological warfare program. Records available from the supplier for the period from 1985 until the present show that during this time, pathogenic (meaning "disease producing"), toxigenic (meaning "poisonous"), and other biological research materials were exported to Iraq pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce. Records prior to 1985 were not available, according to the supplier. These exported biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction. According to the Department of Defense's own Report to Congress on the Conduct of the Persian Gulf War, released in April 1992:

"By the time of the invasion of Kuwait, Iraq had developed biological weapons. It's advanced and aggressive biological warfare program was the most advanced in the Arab world... The program probably began late in the 1970's and concentrated on the development of two agents, botulinum toxin and anthrax bacteria... Large scale production of these agents began in 1989 at four facilities near Baghdad. Delivery means for biological agents ranged >from simple aerial bombs and artillery rockets to surface-to-surface missiles." (53)

Included in the approved sales are the following biological materials (which have been considered by various nations for use in war), with their associated disease symptoms: (54)

Bacillus Anthracis: anthrax is a disease-producing bacteria identified by the Department of Defense in The Conduct of the Persian Gulf War: Final Report to Congress, as being a major component in the Iraqi biological warfare program.

Anthrax is an often-fatal infectious disease due to ingestion of spores. It begins abruptly with high fever, difficulty in breathing, and chest pain. The disease eventually results in septicemia (blood poisoning), and the mortality is high. Once septicemia is advanced, antibiotic therapy may prove useless, probably because the exotoxins remain, despite the death of the bacteria.

Clostridium Botulinum: a bacterial source of botulinum toxin, which causes vomiting, constipation, thirst, general weakness, headache, fever, dizziness, double vision, dilation of the pupils and paralysis of the muscles involving swallowing. It is often fatal.

Histoplasma Capsulatum: causes a disease superficially resembling tuberculosis that may cause pneumonia, enlargement of the liver and spleen, anemia, an influenza-like illness and an acute inflammatory skin disease marked by tender red nodules, usually on the shins. Reactivated infection usually involves the lungs, the brain, spinal membranes, heart, peritoneum, and the adrenals.

Brucella Melitensis: a bacteria which can cause chronic fatigue, loss of appetite, profuse sweating when at rest, pain in joints and muscles, insomnia, nausea, and damage to major organs.

Clostridium Perfringens: a highly toxic bacteria which causes gas gangrene. The bacteria produce toxins that move along muscle bundles in the body killing cells and producing necrotic tissue that is then favorable for further growth of the bacteria itself. Eventually, these toxins and bacteria enter the bloodstream and cause a systemic illness.

In addition, several shipments of Escherichia Coli (E.Coli) and genetic materials, as well as human and bacterial DNA, were shipped directly to the Iraq Atomic Energy Commission.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/31/world/main534798.shtml

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The [Washington Post] says a review of a large tranche of government documents reveals that the administrations of President Reagan and the first President Bush both authorized providing Iraq with intelligence and logistical support, and okayed the sale of dual use items — those with military and civilian applications — that included chemicals and germs, even anthrax and bubonic plague.
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Obviously the said law is not the only problem with the lack of media freedom in Venezuela.

That said, there is absolutely nothing in that article that would qualify as evidence, only claims. There are a total of four (4) citations on the bottom, near as I can tell all having to do with taking cheap shots against the US.



Oh sure, just like the Roman republic, that was in a "state of emergency" between 44 B.C. to 476 A.D.

Again, slowly so you have a chance in understanding: the said law is not, repeat, not, the only reason media freedom is endangered in Venezuela. It is one of the reasons.



Which are, in the meantime, continuously bombarded with government messages about the evils of the opposition and the exploits of Hugo the Great. Do you really think there is adequate room for a democratic debate in the light of all the evidence presented?

McHrozni

Its not like the opposition isnt using propaganda and rethoric, that is the political climate in Venezuela, its both sides.
and rethoric will not make poor people happy, they also need results, and according to the Venezuelan voters, they got that.
 
Does that nakes the laws right? You have just proved that Chavez is not following the law and showing too much programming. Well done.

Does the oppositon get equal airtime? There are no such laws in the UK except for election times and emergencies.

nothing has been proven, alot claims from both side has been brought up, but no evidence so far.

even if they are forced to show every sunday a 7 hour marathon of Chavez rhetoric, that still leaves alot time for the oppositional propaganda and rhetoric.

there are also in the UK telecommunication laws, and when you dont follow those, you get in trouble.
 

and was this "evidence" ever presented ? no. and interpol was looking if the laptop was manipulated, and didnt find anything, nothing about the evidence itself, no word of what it shows or proofs.

and

Spanish National Court Judge Eloy Velasco alleged Monday that the Venezuelan government had collaborated with Basque separatist group ETA and Colombia's main guerrilla group in a plot against leaders living in or traveling to Spain that began in late 2003.
 
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I like it when people put you on "ignore" and then keep TELLING you you're on their "ignore" list, apparently in an attempt to shame you into changing your mind.

yeah like calling them Usefull idiots....

in comparison to you, im atleast usefull.
 
Its not like the opposition isnt using propaganda and rethoric, that is the political climate in Venezuela, its both sides.

Oh, certainly, but only one side is using the law as an excuse to stifle the other side. Notice how I didn't actually complain about the rhetoric, but about abuses of power by your hero, Hugo Chavez.

and rethoric will not make poor people happy

You'd be very surprised by how much can constant bombardment with false information change your opinion. Chavez knows this, and uses it to further his own power.

they also need results, and according to the Venezuelan voters, they got that.

If you ignore certain aspects, of course, such as the before mentioned constant bombardment of people with one-sided information by the government, persecution of opposition figures, abusing the power of state organs to force votes, vote-buying schemes among the poor, etc.

Do you really think the Venezuelan voters are free to choose their best candidate, based on unbiased, freely available information on all candidates?

McHrozni
 

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