Hugo Chavez Loves Free Speech...

[DC]

The judge was basing it on laws arranged by Hugo Chavez and his rubber stamp assembly (what else do you call a legislature stuffed with Yes men.) I also see his kangaroo judiciary have been a work as well, ecxecuting his laws.

What a good way of silencing critics though, calling them liars.

yeah Venezuela is one huge conpiracy, everything and everyone is acting like Hugo wants it or they get jailed.

again, Conspiracy Theories are this way ---->

 

[JihadJane]

alot if not most other countrys follow a diffrent philosophy in that regard.
one of the point most countrys can learn from the USA.

Information Operations Task Force

 

[DC]

Information Operations Task Force

ok, if true, you can say whatever you want in the USA, but have to expect counterpropaganda.

better than jail

 

[NWO Sentryman]

yeah Venezuela is one huge conpiracy, everything and everyone is acting like Hugo wants it or they get jailed.

again, Conspiracy Theories are this way ---->

*facepalm*

Then Stalinist Russia and Maoist china were all egalitarian societies where their leaders were always benevolent, and critics sought to truly harm the revolution.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

ok, if true, you can say whatever you want in the USA, but have to expect counterpropaganda.

better than jail

So anything countering your worldview has to be "counterpropaganda" , the best way to tar any critic of your ideas. Just say that they are automatically on the other side. Face it, Hugo Chavez is a tyrant and has been using the constitution for fire lighter.

 

[DC]

*facepalm*

Then Stalinist Russia and Maoist china were all egalitarian societies where their leaders were always benevolent, and critics sought to truly harm the revolution.

Venezuela has International observers in elections, have you ever red one of these, or is it just.

i dont like him, its not possible others like him, so nobody freely elects him, he won elections, so he must cheat them..........

his elections are less controversal than Bush's 2 elections......

when you have evidence , please bring it up.

“The Venezuelan voting system possesses a number of features that are in line with the most advanced
international standards of e-voting. In certain aspects, such as the paper trail audit, the system developed in
Venezuela is probably the most advanced system in the world to date.”6
--European Union Election Observation Mission

look here you have a report from the EU that observer Elections, pls point out the cheating.

http://ec.europa.eu/external_relati..._observation/venezuela_2005/final_2005_en.pdf

 

[DC]

So anything countering your worldview has to be "counterpropaganda" , the best way to tar any critic of your ideas. Just say that they are automatically on the other side. Face it, Hugo Chavez is a tyrant and has been using the constitution for fire lighter.

LOL

read the link, i just responded to the link........

face it, you have no clue about Venezuela.

 

[NWO Sentryman]

DC, Freedom House and Human Rights watch have pointed out xtreme concerns WRT freedom of the press in Venezuela.

http://www.freedomhouse.org/template.cfm?page=251&year=2009

http://www.hrw.org/en/news/2010/03/25/venezuela-end-prosecutions-dissenters

Hitler won referenda and free elections, as did Nguema, milosevic, and the Axs Japanese Junta, and they were fair and square. does that mean they were good?

as for the venezuela elections, there was a LOT less coverage than 2004 in the US and you ahve not shown anything from 2009. So epic fail.

 

[Skeptic]

yeah Venezuela is one huge conpiracy, everything and everyone is acting like Hugo wants it or they get jailed.

If that's the criterion, Stalin, Hitler, Mao and Pol Pot were not really dictators, since some people in their respective countries managed to tell jokes or join the opposition against them and escape jail.

 

[Pardalis]

But what would happen if some TV stations would conspire and report false stuff that finally leads to a coup off the elected government?

Usually, coups are not organized solely through and by the media. The media is one expression of it.

Besides, how is a government supposed to discern between good and false information, and what false information is aimed at fueling a "coup"?

Take the Onion for example, it's all deliberate false information. Would you ban it?

This "it could potentially lead to a coup" bullcrap is just an excuse to stifle free speech. It's an easy excuse used by all dictatorships: Ban those who disagree with you and accuse them of fueling unrest and conspiracy to overthrow the gorvernment.

This is exactly what's going on in Venezuela and Iran, and you're condoning it.

just like we try to stopp the Nazi and Holocaust denial propaganda by banning it.

Then you are against free speech.

Instead of confront it and debunk it.

Since when is the free exchange and free debate of ideas a bad thing?

Are you so afraid of debate that you want the government to stop it before it starts?

I'm not afraid of truthers or Holocaust deniers, I'm confident enough that they can be succesfully debunked with evidence without the government interfering.

alot if not most other countrys follow a diffrent philosophy in that regard.
one of the point most countrys can learn from the USA.

You have no idea of what you are saying. You are rejecting the very thing America is all about.

Free speech is paramount in the US. Even unsavory and potentially revolutionary speech is allowed. You on the other hand want to ban it.

 

[Pardalis]

What a good way of silencing critics though, calling them liars.

Or accuse them of fomenting a "coup". It's easy.

 

[funk de fino]

face it, you have no clue about Venezuela.

That would be you...............

 

[funk de fino]

It may be because there is a bigger class division of political support in Venezuela compared to the US?

You assuming it is class based opposition or criticism? You do not know my friends or work colleagues.

I made my case and I think my case supports it. If you disagree with my interpretation that's okay, but you never made much of a response

No, you never, you wrote words with no support. Nothing. Just what you "remembered".

 

[funk de fino]

But what would happen if some TV stations would conspire and report false stuff that finally leads to a coup off the elected government?

Glenn Beck.

 

[Meed]

Glenn Beck's crap has lead to a coup?

 

[Pardalis]

Glenn Beck's crap has lead to a coup?

Not yet, who knows? It could happen.

It's certainly a good excuse to shut him up.

 

[Skeptic]

face it, you have no clue about Venezuela.

How does one say, "I'll have the special and a glass of milk" in Spanish?

 

[Meed]

It may be because there is a bigger class division of political support in Venezuela compared to the US?

You assuming it is class based opposition or criticism? You do not know my friends or work colleagues.

Bolded for clarity. If you have friends below the median income level there I'd be surprised, but I haven't made any assumptions outright.

I really don't get what you're arguing for.. That there are not many Chavez supporters in Venezuela?

No, you never, you wrote words with no support. Nothing. Just what you "remembered".

Yup, what I remembered from reading sources. I've re-checked a few sources since then and it appears my memory was accurate.

I'm sorry to see your tone descend back into hostility. You have not asked for a source for anything, nor have you disputed anything specific in the account I put forth despite my requests for you to do so. Not only that, but your own posts haven't been source heavy to say the least.

"I repeat my previous post on this. I do get fed up going through hoops in the past for information that is out there from both sides of the argument only for it to be handwaved or ignored. Sorry if that seems harsh but I have gone though this stuff before and do not have much time left this week before I head to mexico." -funk de fio

"At least you do not descend into the usual "evidence?" single word posts that get increasingly specific and end up as requiring proof to court standards rather than admitting a wrong." -funk de fino

 

[funk de fino]

Glenn Beck's crap has lead to a coup?

According to DC spreading false infomation can lead to a coup. Glenn Beck fits this profile.

 

[funk de fino]

Bolded for clarity. If you have friends below the median income level there I'd be surprised, but I haven't made any assumptions outright.

Why would you be surprised? Don't you think it is strange that I have met not one Venezuelan who thinks Chavez is the glorious leader those not from Venezuela think he is?

I really don't get what you're arguing for.. That there are not many Chavez supporters in Venezuela?

Try again.

Yup, what I remembered from reading sources. I've re-checked a few sources since then and it appears my memory was accurate.

I'm sorry to see your tone descend back into hostility. You have not asked for a source for anything, nor have you disputed anything specific in the account I put forth despite my requests for you to do so. Not only that, but your own posts haven't been source heavy to say the least.

"I repeat my previous post on this. I do get fed up going through hoops in the past for information that is out there from both sides of the argument only for it to be handwaved or ignored. Sorry if that seems harsh but I have gone though this stuff before and do not have much time left this week before I head to mexico." -funk de fio

"At least you do not descend into the usual "evidence?" single word posts that get increasingly specific and end up as requiring proof to court standards rather than admitting a wrong." -funk de fino

Yet you have brought no sources? You said you made a case, you did not.

Bolded -

While you are at it why dont you bring the evidence that RCTV did anything wrong.

Got anything on RCTV

I asked you for evidence.