Hpathy: topic to watch this week

[LostAngeles]

I'm going to follow Sigi's suggestion and read the Organon of Medicine. (side note: Why am I reminded of Reich by that name?)

As an "unintiated" of the homeopathic-smacking, I stand on this topic thusly:
1) As much as they seem to reject Western medicine, I get a sense of awareness of the ability of many substances to pass through the umbilical cord to the fetus. Thusly they will/won't use an expectant woman in a proving.
2)

Walter Meili said that, if Pulsatilla has been given as constitutional
remedy before and if it has worked well, then one has not to be
afraid to continue with it during pregnancy. No need to fear
complications.

I don't follow this logic. If Pulsatilla is an abortificant in high doses, how can it not cause or at least risk fetal harm in small doses?
3) Yeah, they're so evading the topic, it's not even funny.

Giving pets homeopathic remedies:

I've seen bench ads for this along Sunset Blvd. I've been tempted to walk in and see what they'd give my senior diabetic cat (who not only takes his shots well, but responds to the human insulin very well.) and my mother's senior cat who has hyperthyroidism. (Her pills keep her stable and functioning.)

 

[Bowser]

"Of course the real situation is that the water (lactose pill, whatever) is harmless so there is no danger."

Then why the wasted bandwidth, PJ? Why are you so obsessed?

 

[Prester John]

Just so everyone realises the homeopaths are talking BS. I dislike the outright lies told by homeopaths, and you know the funny thing, it wasn't until i tried to engage them in rational conversation that i formed a really low opinion of them, before that it had been a kind of benign humouring.

So why can't they answer questions Bowser, if its all so open and effective? Why do they get rattled so much by a few simple questions? You ask me a question about science, i'll answer if i can, say what i do or do not know. Look at the rubbish BSM is getting thrown at him, the ignorance, the pettiness. Look at Homeoskeptic (also known as Naturalhealth), his sneering attitude backed up by a misplaced self belief - ha ha no one is answering your question - not even trying to address the points. Look at the extortianate fees homeopaths charge for their water. Then tell me why i shouldn't try and keep people informed about what homeopathy really is. The homeopaths won't tell you.

oh and Divinia makes me laugh as well

 

[Quasi]

I'm going to follow Sigi's suggestion and read the Organon of Medicine. (side note: Why am I reminded of Reich by that name?)

I also recommend reading it. Hahnemann's statements are quite contradictory. My favorite part is the begnning where he states that it is not the role of the physician to try to understand the body or the cause of disease, only to treat symptoms. This one paragraph essentially makes it so homeopaths do not have to learn any chemistry, biology, or anything related to evidence based medicine. The ramifications of such ignorant beliefs are staggering. I also recommend reading "Homeopathy and its Kindred Delusions" 1842, by Oliver Wendell Holmes MD. He tested hpathy in the clinic as it was meant to be practiced by Hahnemann. The clinical trials were a total failure, but read for yourself.

 

[Zombified]

My favorite part is the begnning where he states that it is not the role of the physician to try to understand the body or the cause of disease, only to treat symptoms.

Especially curious since some homeopaths seem to dismiss evidence-based medicine as merely palliative, for example, in the spectacular example of delusion ranting posted earlier: http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathy_future.asp

 

[Rolfe]

the spectacular example of delusion ranting posted earlier: http://www.hpathy.com/homeopathy_future.asp

<ul>[*]

<font color="#808000">Homeopathic potencies are not mere dilutions.</font>[*]

<font color="#808000">The electrical properties of homeopathic dilutions are different from simple dilutions.</font>[*]

<font color="#808000">Each homeopathic medicine has a different spectroscopic pattern.</font>[*]

<font color="#808000">Homeopathic medicines can be differentiated from each other.</font>[*]

<font color="#808000"> Different potencies of homeopathic medicines can be differentiated from each other.</font>[/list]

Wow, another applicant for the million bucks!

How come they're so sure they can do all this and yet not one of them ever wants to try for the money?

Rolfe.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Wow, another applicant for the million bucks!

How come they're so sure they can do all this and yet not one of them ever wants to try for the money?

Rolfe.

See the replies here;

http://homeopathyforums.hpathy.com//forum_posts.asp?TID=1505

Which leads here;

http://www.bion.si/ElektrofotoE.htm

and here;

http://www.bion.si/Biomagnetika/Homeopat_abstract.htm


Obviously if it wasn't bollocks the world would have been overturned by now, but does anyone know the particular problems with this study, so we can show them to our homeopathic friends?

 

[Prester John]

Its Corona Discharge Electrogaphy (?) based on the Kirilian effect according to the website. Anyone know what the Kirlian effect is, it rings a bell somewhere.

since the images obtained were not real photographs, but a result of extraction and subsequent reaction of different ions and radicals from water drops with a specially prepared photographic emulsion (see more fully).

Looks to me like its something like aura photographs ie nonsense.


Maybe MRC Hans might know more about it.

 

[Badly Shaved Monkey]

Its Corona Discharge Electrogaphy (?) based on the Kirilian effect according to the website. Anyone know what the Kirlian effect is, it rings a bell somewhere.




Looks to me like its something like aura photographs ie nonsense.


Maybe MRC Hans might know more about it.

I suspect an absence of blinding might be one of the problems with these experiments- subjective assessments and 'bad' data that they can throw in the bin would then give them the psitive results they want.

 

[exarch]

Originally posted by Rolfe

• Homeopathic potencies are not mere dilutions.
• The electrical properties of homeopathic dilutions are different from simple dilutions.
• Each homeopathic medicine has a different spectroscopic pattern.
• Homeopathic medicines can be differentiated from each other.
• Different potencies of homeopathic medicines can be differentiated from each other.

Wow, another applicant for the million bucks!

How come they're so sure they can do all this and yet not one of them ever wants to try for the money?

Dang, I don't have any more room in my signature for another set of empty homeo-claims.