How were WTC core columns separated at the weld planes?

[MIKILLINI]

Oh good. I thought it had something to do with remote controlled thermite......or something.

Umm..yes it does (sort of). Lasers were used to ignite shock tube, and, according to Max, WTC 7 is where these lasers were located.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Don't give him any ideas.

Pomeroo, he done did it. The lasers, used from WTC 7. But Max does not accept to take on Apathoids paper. He can't contest the paper or he choses to ignore it. As he believes the planes were remote-controlled, then it is up to him to prove how it was done.
So far, Max has struck out.

 

[Max Photon]

What is the definitive proof that Flights 11 and 175 were authentic?

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This is a sincere question:

What is the best visual evidence (or other) that Flights 11 and 175 really were the actual American and United airliners?

What are you guys using as your definitive proof (other than hearsay)?


Max

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[MIKILLINI]

Once again Max, you show that you have not read Apathoids essay. Obviously you haven't spent much time observing what goes on around the tarmac. I have observed what goes on the airport tarmacs in Phoenix, Dallas, Chicago, Denver, Las Vegas, and St. Louis.
Respective to each airline company, I've watched what they do. Each plane is not unattended for very long, and to switch planes with one thats modified would be quite a remarkable feat. Even if that was successful, here's a snippet from the paper you haven't read yet:

Commercial airliners are not automobiles. They need daily maintenance due to their complexity and sheer number of parts that can(and do) fail. Much of this maintenance is done overnight between the last flight and first flight of the next day.
MCOs, or Maintenance Carry Overs, are cleared if there is time. Any non-routine items are cleared from the ships logbook(and additionally the cabin discrepancy log). There is also typically one or more routine checks performed overnight. These checks can be in the form of transit checks, pre-departure checks, layover checks and ETOPS (Extended Twin-Engine Operations -or- Engines Turning Or Passengers Swimming) reliability checks. Aircraft already down for heavy maintenance are worked around the clock, 7 days a week.
There may be a brief instance where an aircraft is left unattended, perhaps when maintenance is complete and the aircraft is waiting to be towed or taxied to the departure gate for its next flight - this is usually no more than a few hours, sometimes a lot less.
I'll be assuming away heavily modified aircraft that have essentially been re-designed. As we'll see later, this type of modification would have to be a very, very involved.

UA/AA Line Station mechanics would be finding strange new parts where they don't belong, etc. Another thing, the aircrafts down time would be documented by
numerous ship tracking records, maintenance records, servicing records as well as the aircrafts logbook, and as far as I'm aware - none of the 4 9/11 aircraft had an extended downtime for months prior to the attacks.

If the aircraft were re-designed in lieu of their scheduled heavy maintenance checks, months(or years) in advance of the attacks, all this new equipment probably would've been spotted by the second day out of the hangar. It certainly would've been discovered after months. Enough said.

 

[Major_Tom]

Max, the following short analysis looks at the same video clip and includes a color inverted clip at the end. More visible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IX9gdRST6zM


Max, lets compare these ejections with the ones seen in the following photo

This is an image lifted from the following video, frame 958

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcKbPEaZ3KU

This is the North Tower, north and west faces.

I'll try to locate the floor and source points of the 2 forceful ejections shown in the above image next.

Also note that the clip "115 frames", the east side of the building always has a lower "collapse wave" than the west side at any moment in time. I'll return to this point soon.

 

[apathoid]

* * *

This is a sincere question:

What is the best visual evidence (or other) that Flights 11 and 175 really were the actual American and United airliners?

What are you guys using as your definitive proof (other than hearsay)?


Max

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1. The Airphone calls and cell calls from passengers and cabin crewmembers.
2. The radar data for the flights, especially UA 175, whose transponder was never turned off.
3. The passengers DNA found at the crash sites.
4. Video records depicting a United 767-200 striking the South Tower(see 5).
5. No missing 757/767s anywhere in the world.
6. No ACARS OOOI reports indicating that any of the flights landed anywhere. You see, when the main landing gear struts compress, a report is automatically sent to operations over the datalink system reporting the UTC time of touchdown.
7. No ACARS reports sent from any of the 9/11 aircraft, as operations centers were trying desperately to query the aircraft.


** At 8:23 a.m., a flight dispatcher at the American Airlines operations center in Fort Worth, Texas sends an ACARS text message to Flight 11. ACARS, meaning Aircraft Communications and Reporting System, is an e-mail system enabling company personnel on the ground to rapidly communicate with those in the cockpit of an in-flight aircraft. The message says, “Good morning… ATC [air traffic control] looking for you on [radio frequency] 135.32.” No response is received from Flight 11. Two minutes later, an American Airlines air traffic control specialist at the operations center sends another ACARS message to Flight 11. This says, “Plz contact Boston Center ASAP… They have lost radio contact and your transponder signal.” Again, no response is received from the plane. Subsequent ACARS messages also receive no reply. [9/11 Commission, 8/26/2004, pp. 9-10 ]

American Airlines headquarters in Fort Worth, Texas, learns that Flight 77 is not responding to radio calls, is not emitting a transponder signal, and flight control has lost its location since 8:56 a.m. [9/11 Commission, 1/27/2004] According to the Wall Street Journal, a call from the FAA roughly says that Flight 77 has “turned off its transponder and turned around. Controllers [have] lost radio communications with the plane. Without hearing from anyone on the plane, American [doesn’t] know its location.” American Airlines executive Gerard Arpey gives an order to stop all American flight take-offs in the Northeast. By 8:59 a.m., American Airlines begins attempts to contact the flight using ACARS (a digital communications system used primarily for aircraft-to-airline messages). Within minutes, some time between 9:00 a.m. and 9:10 a.m., American gets word that United also has lost contact with a missing airliner (presumably Flight 175). When reports of the second WTC crash come through after 9:03 a.m., one manager will mistakenly shout, “How did 77 get to New York and we didn’t know it?” [Wall Street Journal, 10/15/2001; 9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 454; 9/11 Commission, 8/26/2004, pp. 31 ]

7. No ATC records of voice communication with any of the 4 flights after they disappeared from radar.
8. No evidence of any 757 or 767 having ever been fitted with remote control.


Also, there is zero evidence for a "plane swap" and the idea of a swap is completey asinine to people who work in commercial aviation/ATC. Unless the 8 pilots died wilfully for "Operation 9/11", how did the airplanes get "swapped" anyhow? Was ATC, AA and UA in on it too?

Max, other than your desperately wanting to believe that the 4 flights were spirited away to some remote base, honestly, what evidence is there?

Once again Max, you show that you have not read Apathoids essay. Obviously you haven't spent much time observing what goes on around the tarmac. I have observed what goes on the airport tarmacs in Phoenix, Dallas, Chicago, Denver, Las Vegas, and St. Louis.
Respective to each airline company, I've watched what they do. Each plane is not unattended for very long, and to switch planes with one thats modified would be quite a remarkable feat. Even if that was successful, here's a snippet from the paper you haven't read yet:

It hadn't occured to me that the planes might have been swapped overnight before the attacks. Is that Maxs' theory? I had always thought that the plane-swaps "happened" in-flight, more or less, after the planes were hijacked.

 

[AMTMAN]

1.
It hadn't occured to me that the planes might have been swapped overnight before the attacks. Is that Maxs' theory? I had always thought that the plane-swaps "happened" in-flight, more or less, after the planes were hijacked.

Which would mean that either AA and UAL are in on the "conspiracy" or they are totally clueless as to what is going on with their own aircraft. Anyone who works for an airline like myself or apathoid knows this is a fantasy dreamed up by people who have no clue as to how an airline operates.

 

[apathoid]

Which would mean that either AA and UAL are in on the "conspiracy" or they are totally clueless as to what is going on with their own aircraft. Anyone who works for an airline like myself or apathoid knows that an airline knows this is a fantasy dreamed up by people who have no clue as to how an airline operates.

Well, anyone except Captain Sherlock from Northworst Airlines. Have you heard about this guy AMTMAN? He thinks all Boeings are rigged with explosives and remote control.

 

[AMTMAN]

Well, anyone except Captain Sherlock from Northworst Airlines. Have you heard about this guy AMTMAN? He thinks all Boeings are rigged with explosives and remote control.

Oh yes, I've heard of him. One of Pilots for Lies illustrious members. Thankfully he was NWA's problem and not ours. We could start a thread just about Captain Sherlock.

 

[Max Photon]

Max thanks Apathoid for his evidence that the jets were authentic.

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Apathoid,

Thanks for your great response. I appreciate it.

By the way, contrary to what everyone keeps saying, I have read your fine paper.

Cheers!

Max

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[pomeroo]

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Apathoid,

Thanks for your great response. I appreciate it.

By the way, contrary to what everyone keeps saying, I have read your fine paper.

Cheers!

Max

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That's great! So, you have abandoned your nonsensical belief in remote-controlled 757s and 767s? How does that affect MAX-MIHOP? Oh, it demolishes your silly theory totally? Hmmm.

 

[apathoid]

* * *

Apathoid,

Thanks for your great response. I appreciate it.

By the way, contrary to what everyone keeps saying, I have read your fine paper.

Cheers!

Max

* * *

Thanks for the kind words Max.

 

[Major_Tom]

The following photo analyzes the 2 ejections from the clip "115 frames"

Note that M/a=N/b=3.5

We know the locations of the core columns from the released blueprints. The following dimensions were taken from the blueprints. Locations within 1 foot.

http://www.sharpprintinginc.com/911..._id=13&PHPWS_Photo_op=view&PHPWS_Photo_id=161


The south side of the South Tower would be along the right side of the graphic of the dimensions posted above.

Notice that these ejections line up with the column rows 500 and 1000 very well.

 

[Max Photon]

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I provide the following attachment so people can see the orientations of the cores.


Max

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[MIKILLINI]

That's great! So, you have abandoned your nonsensical belief in remote-controlled 757s and 767s? How does that affect MAX-MIHOP? Oh, it demolishes your silly theory totally? Hmmm.

Pomeroo it certainly makes for a huge gap to bridge, going from remote controlled airliners to another elaborate scenario to cause the collapse of the towers. Calling this gap a grand canyon would be an understatement.

 

[MIKILLINI]

Well, anyone except Captain Sherlock from Northworst Airlines. Have you heard about this guy AMTMAN? He thinks all Boeings are rigged with explosives and remote control.

Actually, technically Cap. Sherlock is half right if you consider the jet fuel to be explosive in the right situation.
Max thinks there were 4 Boeings rigged and remote-controlled.

 

[DGM]

Major Tom:
Are you on drugs

Why do you feel your Google analysis is better than the investigators that were there?

Again I ask;
Were the people on site "in on it" or blatantly incompetent?

Why do you avoid this question?

 

[twinstead]

Major Tom:
Are you on drugs

Why do you feel your Google analysis is better than the investigators that were there?

Again I ask;
Were the people on site "in on it" or blatantly incompetent?

Why do you avoid this question?

Yes. This is a critical question for any truther:

What makes your Google analysis better than the investigators at the site?

 

[Max Photon]

Inflate the NIST reports to 100 psi (putzes per square inch).

Major Tom:
Are you on drugs

Why do you feel your Google analysis is better than the investigators that were there?

Again I ask;
Were the people on site "in on it" or blatantly incompetent?

Why do you avoid this question?

Why are the only options:

• in on it?
• blatantly incompetent?

Are you unaware of the concept of pressure to conform?

Consider the:

Asch Conformity Experiment

or the even more robust:

Milgram Experiment

(Good grief, you guys are walking textbook examples.)

It should be noted that the Milgram Experiment shows incredibly robust results across cultures, strongly suggesting that pressure to conform and pressure to bow to authority are not a culturally-bound phenomena, but biologically based.

Pressure to conform serves survival.


Now, toss in the notion:

It is hard to get someone to see that which they are paid not to see.

and you have all the makings of...well...the 19 Hijacker Conspiracy Hypothesis.


Maxgram

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[pomeroo]

Why are the only options:

• in on it?
• blatantly incompetent?

Are you unaware of the concept of pressure to conform?

Consider the:

Asch Conformity Experiment

or the even more robust:

Milgram Experiment

(Good grief, you guys are walking textbook examples.)

It should be noted that the Milgram Experiment shows incredibly robust results across cultures, strongly suggesting that pressure to conform and pressure to bow to authority are not a culturally-bound phenomena, but biologically based.

Pressure to conform serves survival.


Now, toss in the notion:

It is hard to get someone to see that which they are paid not to see.

and you have all the makings of...well...the 19 Hijacker Conspiracy Hypothesis.


Maxgram

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I missed the part where you abandoned your untenable belief in remote controlled Boeing 767s and 757s.