How to spot a rookie skeptic

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What are some of the habits of a rookie skeptic?

Does he call out every logical fallacy he sees?

Is he reflexively anti-government and does he frequently spit uncompelling truisms about government corruption?

Does he think nobody can say for sure if a falling tree in some remote island makes a sound?
 
The last is most telling: he thinks throwing shade on even the blatantly obvious counts as critical thinking.
 
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What is a "rookie sceptic"?


Norm

Don't you remember your first post here ;) - only joking.

I suppose a Rookie skeptic is around 5 years old, and if intelligent, asks "But what happenend before God?"

That's how I started.

ETA: As are most children. It is only when their parents and society lie that the Rookiness is removed and it later again, in many cases, becomes another version of the unskeptical same. :(
 
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They have no firm grasp on the limits of science or the actual potential weaknesses in whatever the current consensus on anything is.

They have a hard time grasping concepts like "While snopes is generally right, they can get things wrong sometimes, too."

They're often obsessed with religion.
 
What is a "rookie sceptic"?


Norm

I was assuming he was meaning people who were recently serious True Believers in some religion or other sort of woo, who came to realize that "all that" is a bunch of crap and became skeptics.
 
I was assuming he was meaning people who were recently serious True Believers in some religion or other sort of woo, who came to realize that "all that" is a bunch of crap and became skeptics.


Possible, but I would like to see the OP's definition. My thoughts are that most people who disavow religion or other woo are not necessarily sceptics, but mainly pissed off theists, and that this can possibly lead to a complete meltdown of rationality. Which is not scepticism at all.


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Somebody that doesn't understand "skepticism" is a skill and a standard, not a club you've joined is probably a strong candidate.
 
I was assuming he was meaning people who were recently serious True Believers in some religion or other sort of woo, who came to realize that "all that" is a bunch of crap and became skeptics.

:thumbsup:

Many arrogant anarchists and conspiracy theorists fit that description.
 
Anybody who says that God does not exist.
 
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Anybody who says that God does not exist.


I think that you are confusing atheism with skepticism. We have a couple of brilliant skeptics who are Christians. They are usually the first to criticize creationists or faith healers whenever they rear their ugly heads. Randi is an atheist, but he was adamant that the JREF was a skeptics organization, not an atheist one.
But I agree if what you are saying is that rookies may confuse atheism with skepticism.

you can usually spot the most recent convert to anything because they will be the most zealous.


If you're saying that zeal isn't skepticism but may be confused with skepticism, I agree. (So what does a zealous rookie think skepticism is?)

What are some of the habits of a rookie skeptic?

Does he call out every logical fallacy he sees?


No, mostly only when it's relevant to do so. And he (or she) also doesn't call out every spelling mistake ... I think you can be a skeptic without calling anything out at all - but not a practicing one, of course.

Is he reflexively anti-government and does he frequently spit uncompelling truisms about government corruption?


If it's a reflex, it's anything but skeptical, be it anti- or pro-government. But I don't know if a rookie would be aware of that.

Does he think nobody can say for sure if a falling tree in some remote island makes a sound?


They know that falling trees make sound waves (unless they are falling in a vaccuum, which would be weird since trees wouldn't be able to grow in one). They are able to distinguish between these audible waves and human perception of them:

In physics, sound is a vibration that typically propagates as an audible wave of pressure, through a transmission medium such as a gas, liquid or solid.
In human physiology and psychology, sound is the reception of such waves and their perception by the brain.
Sound (Wikipedia)


- But does a tree make a sound if nobody is around to hear it?
- Yes, of course it bloody does!
- But nobody hears it?
- Hears what? Do you notice what's implied with your "it"?

(I think that there are major differences between rookie philosophers, rookie one-hand-clapping Buddhists and rookie skeptics)

I would say that (maybe not yet a rookie skeptic but) a pre-skeptic usually doesn't accept answers unless they make some kind of sense. I remember asking my mother why we don't fly off into space, what makes us stick to the surface of the Earth. Her answer, "Because the Earth spins so fast," was contradicted my experience with carousels. But I knew better than to openly question her nonsensical answer and later got a satisfactory answer from a physics teacher.

One essential thing makes skepticism different - and difficult, probably: The willing suspension of disbelief that is required in many other groups, i.e. trying to find out what are the right things to say or do in order to belong, learning the phrases that go with the territory. In a Marxist group I once belonged to, we called it Stalinism, the willingness to adapt, even when it had nothing to do with the stuff Stalin had said: It was a way of describing an attitude that you can find in political organizations of all persuasions. Unfortunately children often learn it in school: to comply with rules and regulations and teachers who grade you! 'What do I have to do in order to please the teacher and get higher grades?'
That is probably an obstacle that rookies, some more than others, have to learn to overcome - or maybe even learn to enjoy overcoming! :)
 
All I know is if you somehow have a mint condition James Randi rookie card, it must be worth a fortune these days.
 
I think that you are confusing atheism with skepticism. We have a couple of brilliant skeptics who are Christians. They are usually the first to criticize creationists or faith healers whenever they rear their ugly heads. Randi is an atheist, but he was adamant that the JREF was a skeptics organization, not an atheist one.
But I agree if what you are saying is that rookies may confuse atheism with skepticism.

Just saying that it's fine to be skeptical about God's existence, but the minute you express certainty about his existence or non-existence you are not being skeptical, you are expressing faith in something that is unknowable.
 
Just saying that it's fine to be skeptical about God's existence, but the minute you express certainty about his existence or non-existence you are not being skeptical, you are expressing faith in something that is unknowable.

Oh not this again.
 
Just saying that it's fine to be skeptical about God's existence, but the minute you express certainty about his existence or non-existence you are not being skeptical, you are expressing faith in something that is unknowable.
It is reasonable for a person who is not making a positive statement about the existence of something, to refuse to believe. I don't believe in a God any more than I believe in Santa Claus. If anyone thinks I'm being too certain in my non belief, let that person provide me with evidentiary reasons to change it. Saying that it is unknowable is like saying the existence or non existence of the Tooth Fairy is unknowable.
 

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