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How to prevent manipulation.

coberst

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How to prevent manipulation.

This sentence “If people know they are being brainwashed, then they are not being brainwashed.” that I read recently in the NYTimes struck a resonant cord in my brain.

Brainwash—persuasion by propaganda.

The only thing we have to fear is ignorance and tigers. All of the forces of propaganda can penetrate only as far as we allow them to penetrate into our lives. We cannot be knowledgeable about everything and thus will probably be brainwashed sometimes but we can, if we are able to arouse our curiosity, guard our most precious concerns from blatant manipulation by others.
 
This sentence “If people know they are being brainwashed, then they are not being brainwashed.” that I read recently in the NYTimes struck a resonant cord in my brain.

It shouldn't have, because it's not true.

Look at the entire advertising industry for a counterexample. People know that advertisements are "brainwashing" (by your definition) to purchase items, and yet they still work.

All of the forces of propaganda can penetrate only as far as we allow them to penetrate into our lives.

This is simply untrue. Ask any ad exec.
 
The best way to avoid manipulation is to practice your critical thinking skills and even that might not be enough. After all, critical thinking works best in a society that has a free flow of information.
 
True brainwashing relies on several push-pull factors. On the push side there's tiring the target till he stops thinking. On the pull side there's lovebombing. It's exceptional when someone resists true brainwashing.
 
How to prevent manipulation.

This sentence “If people know they are being brainwashed, then they are not being brainwashed.” that I read recently in the NYTimes struck a resonant cord in my brain.

Brainwash—persuasion by propaganda.

The only thing we have to fear is ignorance and tigers. All of the forces of propaganda can penetrate only as far as we allow them to penetrate into our lives. We cannot be knowledgeable about everything and thus will probably be brainwashed sometimes but we can, if we are able to arouse our curiosity, guard our most precious concerns from blatant manipulation by others.
Aaaaaaaauuuugghhh!!!! Quit manipulating me!!
 
The best way to avoid manipulation is to practice your critical thinking skills ...
Or alternatively don the mantle of extreme cynicism.

Truth be told, these two options are considered the same thing in some quarters.

ETA: I see the subjects of "pessimism" and "optimism" have been broached...

'Luthon64
 
Look at the entire advertising industry for a counterexample. People know that advertisements are "brainwashing" (by your definition) to purchase items, and yet they still work.

I don't know. I can only speak from experience. The moment I realised what advertising was all about was the moment I stopped being influenced by it.

And that was well before I discovered skepticism.
 
Propaganda—ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one’s cause or to damage an opposing cause
 
Propaganda—ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one’s cause or to damage an opposing cause
So, what forms of communication aren't propaganda? Isn't your opening post, by your definition, propaganda? Aren't these questions of mine propaganda?
 
How to prevent manipulation.

This sentence “If people know they are being brainwashed, then they are not being brainwashed.” that I read recently in the NYTimes struck a resonant cord in my brain.

Brainwash—persuasion by propaganda.

The only thing we have to fear is ignorance and tigers. All of the forces of propaganda can penetrate only as far as we allow them to penetrate into our lives. We cannot be knowledgeable about everything and thus will probably be brainwashed sometimes but we can, if we are able to arouse our curiosity, guard our most precious concerns from blatant manipulation by others.

Your attempt to brainwash me into believing this has failed. Now go blatantly try to manipulate someone else.

Thanks and have a nice day. :rolleyes:
 
Propaganda—ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one’s cause or to damage an opposing cause

You use terms that I think of as refering to truth, along with terms that I general do not attribute to truthfull statements.
Are you saying that propaganda can include both? Do you think it matters if it's true or not?
 
Also, please explain what you mean by "pursuasion".

Actually, what I said was "persuation" :p (shaddup, I have a headache)

Standard definitions work for me: "win approval or support for or to cause someone to adopt a certain position, belief, or course of action"

I asked coberst about his definition because something I noticed about people who make statements such as his have simply discovered equivocation.

cf. "All penetration is rape".
 
I didn't think that I was influenced by advertising. None of it seemed aimed at me. I'm bored with flashy cars, I don't drink alcohol or fizzy drinks.

Then I realised.
Every time I see an ad-break on TV I'm really annoyed by it. So much so that I don't watch movies I like on TV. I think this annoyance has become associated with everything I see advertised!

Advertising has been counter-productive when aimed at me.
 
If that's really true, you're unique.

Are you suggesting everyone buys things because of advertising? It seems to me that advertising in general is designed to hit that minority that is actually influenced by it rather than designed to influence everyone it hits. Spam, for example, doesn't work on most people at all. Not a single person I know, aside from a certain relative, has ever said "you know, I think I would like natural enhancement with herbs bought from some shady person in the dank recesses of the internet".

TV advertising is mentally offensive, emotionally childish and intellectually oppressive to me. I see a commercial and I think "this is stupid, who would ever be affected by something like this?". Some people apparently are, enough to make blasting it on EVERYONE's screens worth it, but somehow I doubt it's the majority, and I've never once seen a commercial and suddenly got an itch to obtain what was being shown. I don't watch a toy commercial and say "those kids are having fun, I want fun too, that product is the way, the ONLY way,I can ever have fun, EVER!". I don't even associate that item with having fun or think that anyone could possibly actually enjoy it as much as those constantly screaming artifical child drones are pretending to (plus I never have a playset or giant field nearly as large as they have access to).

Same in stores. They throw all these ridiculous attempts at grabbing my attention, like "The Hulk is standing by this drink, you should get this drink because the Hulk is standing by it, in card board form!". Or, the all too common "you could be a winner!" thing. Here's a secret, I generally don't even realize there's a contest at all except by mistake. I just look for the food I want, and it could be in a plain white bag with a standard font reading "Baked confectionaries with chocolate coating" with a list of ingrediants and I wouldn't care so long as it was delicious, and actually I'd prefer it because then I'd know exactly what I was buying.

And as for ads that try to be hilarious, it falls flat. I simply don't care about their innane little jokes, and if for some reason an ad somehow worms it's way into my memory, you can bet I won't remember enough details for it to be helpful to the company that made it. Like those commercials with that talking lizard selling cars. I have no idea what car brand the advertiser is trying to sell.
 

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