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How the banks create money

webb5

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Fractional Reserve Banking

A process that allows the banks to create money out of nothing.

Central Banks apart from creating new money as debt control the ratio of deposits the Commercial banks can lend. This ratio is called fractional reserve banking. This practice allows banks to lend very large sums of money they do not have. Fractional reserve banking allows banks to keep only a fraction of deposits in reserve and lend out the remainder.

For example if the reserve was set to twenty percent, $800 of a $1,000 deposit could be used to lend out to borrowers. This $800 lent out will then become a deposit in another bank. This other bank that receives this can lend out $600 of this $800 deposit as 20% is reserved.

This process will continue untill it reaches its maximum. The maximum amount of total deposits that can be created this way at 20 percent is $5,000 and the maximum increase in the money supply is $4,000. At this rate the banks have fraudulently created $4,000 out of thin air using a $1,000 deposit. The banks create a lot more than this as the reserve rates are much lower.

Over the years the ratio for fractional reserve banking has dropped, in most countries 3% or less is now the norm. This is a very deceitful and dangerous thing to do, as a run on the banks is very possible if large numbers of deposits are removed from banks. Although Central Banks can cover a certain number of withdrawals on behalf of some banks, it does however have a limit. A domino effect is a reality and can occur as banks do not have the money required because of very low fractional reserves. Banks will begin shutting down every where when this limit is passed.

Not many countries have a fractional reserve rate over 3%, interestingly the United States has 10%, China over 20%. When the run on the banks start and it will happen sometime in the future, less than 3% of the money people have deposited there will remain! And guess who is going to guarantee this money? tax payers will guarantee the banks! This way the commercial banks will remain blissfully in operation to continue without risk to themselves to continue to deceive us and to keep us in debt.

This action is most definitely a fraudulent practice and governments all over the world including Australia allow it to happen. It should be called fictional reserve banking. It should be banned! and replaced with Social Credit.

More about Social Credit later.
 
Welcome webb5.

But I must ask what this has to do with politics? There's an economics section you know.
 
I'm smelling Ron Paul...

Your personal life is best kept to yourself. But if sniffing 80 year old loonies does it for you, c'est le vie. :D

Welcome webb5.

You do realize that the FDIC is funded by the banks themselves?
 
There ought to be some sort of rule about fractional reserve stupidity. If someone comes to a site and deposits their stupidity, and the site then lends out 80% of that stupidity, eventually there's a lot more stupidity in the world. The good news is that sites will never run out of stupidity.
 
This action is most definitely a fraudulent practice and governments all over the world including Australia allow it to happen.

Am I right to infer from this comment that you are an Aussie? Please stop making us look stupid :(
 
Am I right to infer from this comment that you are an Aussie? Please stop making us look stupid :(
Yeah I wondered where he pulled "Australia" from. I mean the Reserve Bank and the government have been appalling of late keeping the country out of recession, the economy growing and unemployment low. :rolleyes:
 
I didn't know you can open threads to advertise political ideas.

The opening post can be summarized as:

When I lend $100 to Jack, Jack believes he has $100 he borrowed and I believe I have $100 I lent. So we believe we have $200. Are we immoral? Not even an interest is involved in the loan.

Banks, as their business is borrowing and lending money, have it folded. But they charge a differential rate of interest, so something "bad" may be going on. It's that it, webb5? (Are you coming back to the forum ever again?)
 
For example if the reserve was set to twenty percent, $800 of a $1,000 deposit could be used to lend out to borrowers. This $800 lent out will then become a deposit in another bank. This other bank that receives this can lend out $600 of this $800 deposit as 20% is reserved.
Uhm, 600 is not 80% of 800, 640 is.

This process will continue untill it reaches its maximum. The maximum amount of total deposits that can be created this way at 20 percent is $5,000 and the maximum increase in the money supply is $4,000. At this rate the banks have fraudulently created $4,000 out of thin air using a $1,000 deposit. The banks create a lot more than this as the reserve rates are much lower.
Without bothering to check to see if your $4000 is right or not (and based on the previous paragraph it probably is not), this assumes that banks only lend to banks.
 
Without bothering to check to see if your $4000 is right or not (and based on the previous paragraph it probably is not), this assumes that banks only lend to banks.

In the long run, they do. If I borrow $10k to buy a car, it goes to the dealer. But he's just going to bank the money, which means the money went from one bank to another (via two intermediaries). Even if he pays some of the money out in salaries, well, there's a reason it's called a paycheck; it went through the bank, first.
 
A process that allows the banks to create money out of nothing.


They're not creating it out of nothing. They're borrowing it from the future on the premise that future labor will be more efficient and will create greater return than at present.

The last sentence I wrote may sound kooky, but it's true.
 
They're not creating it out of nothing. They're borrowing it from the future on the premise that future labor will be more efficient and will create greater return than at present.

The last sentence I wrote may sound kooky, but it's true.

Why people find this so hard to understand I find utterly baffling. :boggled:
 
Why people find this so hard to understand I find utterly baffling. :boggled:

Because people are dumb?

More seriously, because people dislike the idea of making money "doing nothing" (which is why the image of the demonized Fat Cat Banker is so powerful, so pervasive, and so long-lasting). Why should they make so much money from the sweat of my brow?

So it must be a conspiracy of some sort.
 
Although I mostly agree with all recent posts, what has to do the time value of money with the money multiplier in a fractional-reserve banking system?

The OPr is trying somewhat to say that banks make spurious money and benefit from that. He has mixed up my example in post #12 with some sort of pyramid scam legally sanctioned.

It's a pity because maybe Social Credit has its merits, I wouldn't know. But certainly trying to promote it telling lies and resorting to grotesque is not the way to attract my attention.
 
I'm not understanding how fractional reserve banking is creating money from nothing. The assets and liabilities still balance, right? Borrowing money from consumers at almost no interest and re-lending it at a higher interest rates doesn't "create" more money than was already in the system. What am I missing?
 

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