How Stupid/Crazy is Michael Badnarik?

Kerberos said:
Badnarik says he wants to destroy the UN building, apparently without compensation, which is certainly blatantly at odds with Libertarianism as I understand it (property rights you know).

Nope. That's Libertarian politics alright: Badnarik can do it, because he is a Libertarian.

In Libertopia, Libertarians can do whatever they want. The rest can croak, for all they care. Those who disagrees with Badnarik are persecuted and go to jail.
 
CFLarsen said:
Nope. That's Libertarian politics alright: Badnarik can do it, because he is a Libertarian.

In Libertopia, Libertarians can do whatever they want. The rest can croak, for all they care. Those who disagrees with Badnarik are persecuted and go to jail.

To be fair Badnarik at one point did say the UN bit was hyperbole, saying something like "Of course I wouldn't blow up the UN. It's someone else's property."

Whether he was spinning or not or whether someone sane in the LP fed him the line I have no idea, and it doesn't make the original any less alarming...

He did at least retract it, so to suggest that this sort of action is a typical Libertarian policy rather than just an example of Badnarik thinking out loud is unfair.


As an aside, this is why I consider him a "living fossil record." He tends to publish at some level his entire thought process about a lot of issues. I wish more politicians had the guts to do it, and I give Badnarik credit in that regard, but his thought processes are quite suspect.

Like this gem:

How could Timothy McVeigh's Ryder truck knock down so much of the Murrah Building in Oklahoma City, while doing no damage to the building across the street except for a few broken windows? Doesn't that violate the laws of physics? How could the explosion of McVeigh's truck throw bricks and debris out into the street, once again, violating the laws of physics? What ever happened to all of the evidence from the Waco disaster that was being kept for “safe keeping” in the FBI offices in the Murrah Federal Building? THINK dammit! We may not know who blew up the building, or what their motivation was, but the government's version of the truth is completely implausible.

(from varwoche's collection here )

He starts with what is a valid question about the physics, but rather than actually look into the physics of the matter he skips over that into "why the government would do it themselves."


Which is typical poor thinking that leads to conspiracy thinking. Instead of confronting the intital doubt about a fact by either verifying it or debunking it, he moves on to find collateral evidence that support the doubt.

Worse yet, when he confronts the typical curious man on the street type note the argument is now not framed around physics, rather about the motives of the government. When Badnarik gets the typical "the government wouldn't do that" response, Badnarik is now set up to just list really bad things the government has done, some genuine, some similarly supported nonsense.

Our poor man on the street is forced to admit that it is possible the government could do such a thing, which is the trap in the argument from incredulity...


A better response to the rant is: "What evidence do you have that such a result violates the laws of physics besides your own incredulity?"

That is the skeptic answer. The one that cuts through the nonsense. This is the sort of thing we should be discussing and promoting here. Stopping the spread of the political/legal version of homeopathy... Both are cut from the same cloth.
 
CFLarsen said:
Nope. That's Libertarian politics alright: Badnarik can do it, because he is a Libertarian.

In Libertopia, Libertarians can do whatever they want. The rest can croak, for all they care. Those who disagrees with Badnarik are persecuted and go to jail.

Have you ever posted anything of substance?
 
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luchog said:
It's a sad comment on the LP that they used this fig newton for their election figurehead. I'm a fairly hardcore libertarian (minarchist gradualist), and even I can see that this guy is a nutbar. The problem is that most of the higher-ups in the LP are nutbars themselves; and are incapable of fielding anyone with any sort of political savvy or clout. The only place that the LP is even remotely effective is on the grass-roots local level, and that is where they need to concentrate for now; instead of wasting resources on high-profile whackjobs.

I agree. I am frequently disappointed in the party. That being said, they are the only party championing something like genuine liberty in the sense that the founders mean't it. I think part of the problem is that people with a libertarians sensibility are inclined to be loners, politically speaking, and not inclined to jump on band wagons. The ones who do tend to be the whackier of the bunch. There are all sorts of really amazing libertarian thinkers out there, but they are not the ones inclined to jump to the front of the parade. I really don't know what the answer is to the dilemma. We need to have the best people leading the party, but the best libertarians don't feel inclined to want to lead other people. A solid libertarian is going to tend to be an individualist which is not conducive to the group think mentallity that is needed to move the party forward.
 
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HarryKeogh said:
this is why I still visit the politics forum from time to time. Amidst all the rants, insults and partisan non-sense you sometimes get to read a gem like this.

excellent post.

Hey, thanks for your kind post. I am used to getting slammed whenever I come in here.
 
Not that I don't think the guy needs a shave, he reminds me of Nixon.

But...

I do not read the OP the way this has been taken at all. The internet was listed as an example where crazy things are promoted, and then he goes on to list some. That seems more like sarcasm than an endorsement.

...Understandably, this is triggering significant fear and panic for many Americans, the flames of which are being fanned, perhaps intentionally, by the mainstream corporate/government media. And compared to the Internet, where people still have the freedom to be as crazy...

Sorry to drag this up from the depths, and the guy may indeed be wacky, but this does not seem like evidence of it.
 

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