How powerful is human immune system?

[Nonpareil]

I'm not saying that viruses and bacteria do not exist I'm just saying none of us have any proof which means that we all are taking it on faith.

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The same goes with anything reported by medicine. Unless you started the research your yourself and finished it from start to finish you are going strictly on faith.

So are you saying that every single time someone has reported that a virus or pathogen is attacking the immune system, they have been lying? That all evidence supporting that is faked?

Now that is all fine for you guys because you are unaware of cures for diseases said to be incurable. Me on the other hand will always question a institute that says a disease can't be cured and rightly so.

It's fine to question it, as long as you have some basis for doing so. So far, you haven't shown us any.

If you knew how medicine ignores the body's natural immune response you to would be a little irritated.

Medicine does not ignore the natural immune response. In fact, vaccines, one of the most common medical treatments, are designed specifically to work with the immune system.

No they are not. They are rarely ever looked at. There are very few if any test designed to detect viruses. Most test used to diagnose viruses detect "indications" of viruses and never ever detect the actual virus.

This is so blatantly, staggeringly wrong that I don't even know where to start.
First of all, microscopes are common laboratory equipment in even the smallest, worst-funded medical offices. These microscopes can detect bacteria quite easily.
Secondly, when it comes to viruses, they can be seen through use of electron microscopes, NMR spectroscopy and X-ray crystallography. So once again we are brought back to the conclusion that the only thing you can mean is that everyone who has seen a virus, bacterium or other invader is lying. Is this what you are saying? If so, why do you think this?

I do not know about bacteria testing but from what I have heard they pretty much color a sample and if it turns one color they have a bacteria or virus and if it it doesn't they don't have it.

Do you have a source for this?

Nope, there are very few if any in a hospital or lab setting looking at pathogens and saying "there it is". They are looking at colors and other "indications" of the "possible" presence of the pathogen. And to shed more light on it the test results will say that this test in now way means you have the virus, bacteria or disease.

Nope testing for bacteria and viruses is more vague than the rest of medicine. You are all wrong. And I can't imagine anyone needing a microscope in a military hospital. I may have to question one's memory of the past, no offense.

No doctor would be stupid enough to say a person's immune system is incapable of curing a disease said to be incurable. NONE.

An "incurable" disease is one that cannot be cured. By anything. Understand? If it can be cured by the immune system, no doctor would say it was incurable in the first place.

No one cares about whether or not the pancreas produces insulin. I never ever said it didn't. I said we do not have proof.

And I said we do, unless you wish to state that every single person who has ever confirmed that they do through direct observation and testing is lying.

I personally believe the pancreas produces insulin. In your argumentative state you are missing pretty much all my points which makes me question why I am conversing with you.

Then explain what I'm missing.

Fungus being cancer, fungus causing OBs misdiagnosed as herpes, fungus causing strokes, fungus causing cerebral hemorrhaging, fungus causing psoriasis, eczema and and hundreds of other EASILY cured disease are being ignored entirely by medicine hence the reason YOU can't cure them.

You have presented zero evidence that they actually are fungi. You have merely asserted that they are. Repeatedly. But repetition does not equal truth. Where is your proof that they are fungi? Otherwise, you are just like the mainstream medicine you so despise, in that you ask us to take everything on faith.

The human immune system malfunction because of pathogens

So there are pathogenic infections which can cause it to malfunction. Why, then, can there not be a pathogenic infection which can cause the immune system to shut down completely, or simply be too powerful for it to destroy?

but IT NEVER EVER ATTACKS the body. The human immune system can completely restore itself.

Both of these claims go against the evidence. Again, I'd like to ask you about the possibility of genetic mutations negatively affecting the immune system. Do you accept that this is possible? If so, why can the negative mutation not cause it to turn against the body? If not, why not?

-Genetic mutations do not exist. If there is a mutation it is because there is a pathogen interfering with proper cell growth.

Now you are going up against everything we know about chemistry, molecular biology and... well, pretty much every field in science. Care to present your evidence for this?

-The human immune system can defeat all pathogens, infections including fungus. That is why the True Cures can cure all diseases.

If the human immune system can defeat all infections, including fungal ones, why did you need to create ShareCures in the first place? Why did cavemen get sick?

-There are no genetic diseases, only pathogens and parasites passed from mother to child, grandpa to child, brother to sister, sister to mother, cousin to neighbor.

Again, do you have any evidence for this?

Heck the only thing that will prevent anyone today from dying of what you believe is cancer

So everyone in the world has cancer?

is either they die of a stroke (still fungus)

Blood clot.

heart attack (could be any pathogen or parasite)

Likewise blood clot.

I don't know if you are here to argue with me or if you really want to know about your personal health.

I really want to know. I'm not trying to argue with you, but you have to understand the way that my mind works. I'm very analytical. I have to have evidence, a sound basis, for everything that I believe. I'm just asking you to provide your evidence to support your claims. If you can do that, I'll gladly believe you. Hell, I'll even participate in True Cures as a paying patient.

But you are going to have to pay better attention to what I am sharing because I am not going to continue to correct you when you are trying to summarize my claims.

I'm sorry. It's just hard to switch from believing everything I currently think I know to believing True Cures, and... well, no offense, but sometimes the things you say are confusing. Give me some time.

 

[Lucian]

No they are not. They are rarely ever looked at. There are very few if any test designed to detect viruses. Most test used to diagnose viruses detect "indications" of viruses and never ever detect the actual virus.

I do not know about bacteria testing but from what I have heard they pretty much color a sample and if it turns one color they have a bacteria or virus and if it it doesn't they don't have it.

Nope, there are very few if any in a hospital or lab setting looking at pathogens and saying "there it is". They are looking at colors and other "indications" of the "possible" presence of the pathogen. And to shed more light on it the test results will say that this test in now way means you have the virus, bacteria or disease.

Nope testing for bacteria and viruses is more vague than the rest of medicine. You are all wrong. And I can't imagine anyone needing a microscope in a military hospital. I may have to question one's memory of the past, no offense.

If people rarely look at pathogens under a microscope, I'm wondering how GIANTmicrobes manages to survive and thrive. GIANTmicrobes sells adorable stuffed animals that resemble various pathogens, based on their actual appearance. You'll notice that each pathogen includes an image. Here, for instance, is the flesh-eating bacterium.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

If people rarely look at pathogens under a microscope, I'm wondering how GIANTmicrobes manages to survive and thrive. GIANTmicrobes sells adorable stuffed animals that resemble various pathogens, based on their actual appearance. You'll notice that each pathogen includes an image. Here, for instance, is the flesh-eating bacterium.

We got some of those for my niece, as she's not allowed the real things (she' on immuno-suppressant drugs for her heart transplant).

 

[ShareCures]

Hi, you responded to, but did not answer the following questions. Since you are new here, the correct way to respond is to hit the "reply" button and number your replies 1, 2 and 3.


Originally Posted by Blue Mountain
Some questions:
1. Is there only one fungus involved or many?
2. What is(are) the scientific name(s)?
3. Which one(s) is(are) responsible for the following conditions?
- Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
- Baldness
- Diabetes
- Lupus
- Multiple sclerosis

What do you care carlitos? You don't care if your immune response can eliminate pathogens.

1. Carlitos you most likely have multiple fungi in you that are not named yet. If you do not have dandruff, yellow nail, ANY SKIN diseases or condition, yeast infections, jock itch, athletes foot you are pretty lucky to be free of the medically treated types of fungus and each condition can be caused by just about any type of fungus meaning they are not limited to one type. You most likely have hundreds of types of fungus and if you don't die of an accident fungus will kill you in the form of cancer or stroke unless you have an heart attack which can be something other than fungus.
2. Why do I care what the scientific names are. I don't care what their common names are. I have more important things to do than study medicine and waste my times memorizing names which have as much a bearing on cures as a spelling bee.
3. Carlitos get me a reasonably small grant of say 20 million and I will tell you exactly what causes baldness, Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis,diabetes, lupus and MS. Right now if you want to cure any of these diseases let me know. Your subconscious already knows exactly what causes them and exactly what is required to cure them. Your subconscious is a genius but your conscious is brainwashed to cross your subconscious as is evident here with your great concern with things that have no bearing on your health at all.

True Cures does not care about names or diseases, pathogens, fungus, parasites, bacteria, amoebas, protozoans, science or medicine. True Cures is only concerned with the immune response engaging its immune defense in order to eliminate what the immune system deems threatening in order to cure any or all diseases. To cure any disease you must get out of your own way and stop being scared of what medicine commands you to fear. Forget what you think you know and what you think is important because you may not know and nothing outside of the actual cure is important.

 

[ShareCures]

Now that is an interesting response.

I did not vote in the poll, I felt I could not give an accurate answer, given the wording.

As to the resolution of a disease that is declared 'incurable' at some point, I can think of many causes and not all of them would be due to the immune response of the individual. Therefore I do not answer yes or no to the poll. Now if you had a ‘In some cases that seems likely.” option I would have chosen that.


Now evidence that the pancreas generates insulin?
Possible lines of evidence.
1. Humans who have their pancreas removed no longer generate insulin.
2. Pancreatic tissues in vitro seem to generate insulin.

So, that is where I would start. Unless you are using the 'science requires more faith than religion' as an argument. Which has a number of counters.

I believe the pancreas produces insulin. Have said that three or four times already.

It is true that there are lots of things that suggest the pancreas produces insulin two of which you have listed. My point is, no matter how obvious something seems there is still room for doubt. I admit that the pancreas producing insulin is not as doubtful as the rest of medicine but my point is made. Pancreas aside consumers take medicine on 95% blind faith which lets medicine off the hook when it comes to cures.

When medicine tells you your body is attacking itself and your body is winning and that is why they can't cure the body attacking itself and you believe it you stop right there. You stop looking for the truth. Once you are told there is no cure which you accept on blind faith you stop reasoning.

When a person believes their body is attacking itself but believe a cockroach is above attacking itself it puts that person in a state to be 100% manipulated. If a person believes they are inferior to a cockroach and that their body is killing them they will believe anything. They will believe all labels at the super market, they will believe all the commercials on TV and most of all they will believe the media.

When you believe that it is your immune response turning on you causing your suffering you never ever learn that it is actually a pathogen attacking you and your immune response is overwhelmed and letting the attack persist. No disrespect and I am not speaking to you personally when I say this but stupid is as stupid does. Thanks to my persistence you will get to choose from medicine or a cure. That's what you are doing right now. The question is did you have your mind made up before you read this thread?

 

[fls]

No they are not. They are rarely ever looked at. There are very few if any test designed to detect viruses. Most test used to diagnose viruses detect "indications" of viruses and never ever detect the actual virus.

I do not know about bacteria testing but from what I have heard they pretty much color a sample and if it turns one color they have a bacteria or virus and if it it doesn't they don't have it.

It truly puzzles me. Why would you expect anyone to believe what you say when you are ignorant of such basic knowledge as how a bacteria or virus is detected? Wouldn't you expect that the obvious conclusion is that you don't know what you are talking about and are simply making stuff up?

Linda

 

[fls]

No sir. Rolfe and a few others have already made it clear that no pathogen or parasite attacks or what was the word they used....oh yeah "colonize" the pancreas.

OK, so you just proved them all wrong and me right about pathogens in the pancreas. Thank you!

I don't think you understand. Islet Cells of Langerhans, acinar cells and insulin are not pathogens. Those are the names of some of the cells and substances which make up the pancreas.

Again, why would you expect anyone to trust someone who lacks basic knowledge about the human body?

Linda

 

[ShareCures]

You do know about the relationship we have with intestinal ecosystems, don't you?

Bacteria, fungus would have three gross categories in relation to humans:
1. Neutral, some benefit or some detriment but no overall effect.
2. Beneficial, in that they provide a positive to the human.
3. Detrimental, in that they provide a negative to the human.

Now the vast majority of 'other things' we encounter (not counting external and internal parasites at this point) are going to be 'neutral' to the human system. If they have benefit it is very small, if they have detriment it is very small.

But human digestion does benefit from certain bacteria that we co-exist with.

Someone else asked this and my response is on page 16 or 17. The only thing I know for absolute surety is that there are millions of products claiming to add good flora to our digestive tract. I've tried plenty of them in the past and most of my clients have cupboards full of these products and when it is said and done they notice little to no benefit.

I'm not saying there are not good or neutral organisms. I'm saying whether there is or isn't society is going to corrupt it.

There may be great flora or bacteria. Or there they may be bacteria our bodies have adapted to live with. I think once you have eaten a ton of yogurt or supplements claiming to add flora to the digestive tract we can all question how truly wonderful they really are.

I'm not saying there are not good bacteria, just saying there is no real proof that there is. I know it is said that koala bears have a bacteria that allows them to eat poisonous eucalyptus so it is possible that we have good bacteria, I just can't prove it so I am not presumptuous enough to say they or we do have good bacteria.

I can however prove there are no incurable diseases and if we do have good flora or bacteria our immune response will recognize them as good. That is what the immune response is for, recognizing what is bad and eliminating it.

 

[ShareCures]

Ok David, I have a serious inquiry this time, I think I've poked fun at you enough.

Your home page lists hiatal hernias as one of the things you can successfully cure. Well, I have that. What do I do about it? And I mean specific action to be taken without your consultation. As I live in the US and have no health insurance, I have no options at this time to get help.

Give me a solution, and I will personally champion your cause.

When you started suffering from low back pain long ago you should have cured the cause.

When you started suffering from heartburn long ago you should have cured the cause.

Now you have to deal with permanent damage.

Tell us what you think caused your hiatal hernias. Do you think it was your small intestine attacking your stomach or do you think it was your autoimmune choking your stomach?

As you well know by now there is no cure for your condition through medicine so you know there is no product you can buy. How do you expect me to help you if medicine can't get you the pill?

If I where you I would engage my immune response into detecting and eliminating the underlying cause of the low back pain, heartburn and all the other signs and symptoms you suffer from which will cure your hiatal hernias. As you are well aware you do not stand a chance with medicine and the knowledge you have of medicine so you tell me what you are willing to do.

 

[ShareCures]

Just so you all know, when I ignore your medical explanations for stokes and everything else explained medically it is not because I do not understand what you are saying.

It is because I already knew what you would say and I already know that nothing no matter how reasonable and logical I say will change your thought process.

You see, NOT ONE OF you has shared anything new to me. I know what medicine teaches, claims and lies about and I disagree with 90 to 95% of it but what do you expect. Right out of the gate you say there is no cure and I say there is a cure. I can prove there are cures for so called incurable diseases and you cannot prove there are not cures for so called incurable diseases.

Before I came to this thread you didn't realize you had a choice, whether you admit it or not you now know you have a choice. If you are sick you can use medicine and take your pill or you can cure the problem. Whether you believe me or not you still have to make a choice. You know that you are have a great deal of trouble disputing my claims, do you completely disregard the logic and reasoning of my claims and suffer for a lifetime with your diseases or do you put a little more consideration into the human immune response? No matter what you think about me you all will forever be making a choice when it comes to your health. I'm well aware that most of you will choose medicine because of your pride that and the fact that life is getting dull for most of you anyway.

 

[pchams]

No sir. Rolfe and a few others have already made it clear that no pathogen or parasite attacks or what was the word they used....oh yeah "colonize" the pancreas.

OK, so you just proved them all wrong and me right about pathogens in the pancreas. Thank you!

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But you did prove Rolfe wrong and the d-wormers given to cattle and sheep prevent pathogens from causing harm the sheep and cattle pancreas.

You aren't seriously thinking that the Islets of Langerhans are parasites are you?
This is high school biology mate.

The Islets are human cells within the pancreas.

 

[paximperium]

No sir. Rolfe and a few others have already made it clear that no pathogen or parasite attacks or what was the word they used....oh yeah "colonize" the pancreas.

OK, so you just proved them all wrong and me right about pathogens in the pancreas. Thank you!

Since your statement has nothing to do with the posted picture of insulin producing cells in the pancreas, one can assume you don't understand what you are looking at.

Now to be truthful this pretty picture doesn't prove anything.

It proves insulin is found in the pancreatic islet cells which makes your claims 100% wrong and falsified.

And again for the record I am not saying there is no such thing as virus I'm just saying we have no proof other than someone's word and because I know there are cures for diseases said to be incurable I take that someone's word with less than a grain of salt. Lucky for me and True Cures it doesn't matter what you want to call an invader. Your conscious mind has little to nothing to do with your health so you can call them frogs or goober smootches if you want.

No. Since you have yet to even show a basic understanding of what you are talking about, there is no reason to even take what you claim seriously.

But you did prove Rolfe wrong and the d-wormers given to cattle and sheep prevent pathogens from causing harm the sheep and cattle pancreas.

Sorry but where in this histologic picture does it have anything to do with this claim? Like I said, you seem to not even understand what you are looking at. Do state clearly how a stained slide of an islet cells have anything to do with your nonsense?

 

[Philosaur]

ShareCures,

I apologize in advance if this has already been asked (I've skipped portions of the debate), but do you believe that fungi also cause things like Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease and fatal familial insomnia?

And what actually causes the tumor growth doctors observe after exposure to high levels of radiation? Is that somehow also linked to fungi?

 

[ShareCures]

One more very very important question.

How offended would you be if you allowed me to prove my claims?

Let's pretend you have migraine headaches and you have used the latest and greatest migraine drugs your doctor can prescribe for the past 10 years and I met you and you were cured in less than a month.

How offended will you be when you realize without any doubt medicine has duped you? You can answer hypothetically if you like. You may need to answer this question before I can take you seriously.

 

[Nonpareil]

One more very very important question.

How offended would you be if you allowed me to prove my claims?

Let's pretend you have migraine headaches and you have used the latest and greatest migraine drugs your doctor can prescribe for the past 10 years and I met you and you were cured in less than a month.

How offended will you be when you realize without any doubt medicine has duped you? You can answer hypothetically if you like. You may need to answer this question before I can take you seriously.

I don't know about anybody else, but I wouldn't be offended if you could cure my asthma. Pretty sure I said this before.

 

[PixyMisa]

One more very very important question.

How offended would you be if you allowed me to prove my claims?

You are allowed to prove your claims. You can't, because your claims are false. However, that's not a question of not being allowed to prove your claims, that's just you colliding with reality.

Let's pretend you have migraine headaches and you have used the latest and greatest migraine drugs your doctor can prescribe for the past 10 years and I met you and you were cured in less than a month.

How offended will you be when you realize without any doubt medicine has duped you? You can answer hypothetically if you like. You may need to answer this question before I can take you seriously.

Show us the fungus.

 

[paximperium]

One more very very important question.

How offended would you be if you allowed me to prove my claims?

Let's pretend you have migraine headaches and you have used the latest and greatest migraine drugs your doctor can prescribe for the past 10 years and I met you and you were cured in less than a month.

How offended will you be when you realize without any doubt medicine has duped you? You can answer hypothetically if you like. You may need to answer this question before I can take you seriously.

I would not be in any way "offended".

We will have to properly control for all variables such as actual psychiatic or somatization causes for the migraine and perform a proper randomized control trial to determine if you can actually do what you claim you can do. Once you show an actual result that is not due to chance, fraud or a completely extraneous factor, I'm willing to look much deeper into the efficacy of your claim.

Since you have not provided any evidence of this but false statements about things you have no basic understanding of and refused to tell anyone about your "technique" I can assume you have no evidence forthcoming.

 

[Dancing David]

I believe the pancreas produces insulin. Have said that three or four times already.

It is true that there are lots of things that suggest the pancreas produces insulin two of which you have listed. My point is, no matter how obvious something seems there is still room for doubt. I admit that the pancreas producing insulin is not as doubtful as the rest of medicine but my point is made. Pancreas aside consumers take medicine on 95% blind faith which lets medicine off the hook when it comes to cures.

So now you contradict yourself, I see. later.

 

[TSR]

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Earlier SC was saying that the vaccines cows receive prevent them from getting diabetes.

Later, he states that vaccines are unnecessary.

Which is it?
.

 

[Uncayimmy]

Let's pretend you have migraine headaches and you have used the latest and greatest migraine drugs your doctor can prescribe for the past 10 years and I met you and you were cured in less than a month.

It is impossible to declare someone "cured" of migraines after one month because migraines come and go on their own. Going a month or several months without one is not unusual. If this kind of ignorance of disease is typical for you, then that would explain why you think you cure people.