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How powerful is human immune system?

Do you think the body can cure itself of incurable diseases?

  • yes

    Votes: 8 5.7%

  • no

    Votes: 133 94.3%
  • Total voters
    141
ShareCures said:
Yes they do but they will adapt and in one or two years there will be no more concern for the disease because as we speak they are building their immunity just as they have done for thousands of years and just as we did before medicine encroached.
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So you're saying that if we let people die of cancer then the rest of us will become immune to it?
 
ShareCures said:
Yes they do but they will adapt and in one or two years there will be no more concern for the disease because as we speak they are building their immunity just as they have done for thousands of years and just as we did before medicine encroached.
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Where did that goal post move to?
 
Londinius said:
Wrong. You clearly do not understand what disease means. Any condition that impairs your normal body function is in fact a disease. And yes genetic diseases do exist, including cystic fibrosis, sickle cell anemia, porphyria, Huntington disease which are so common you cannot deny their existence.



Wrong. I wouldn't call an opportunistic pathogens "contagious" because they exist and live with you since very early in your life and live happily with you throughout your entire life until you become immuno-compromised, which is when they start to cause damage to your body.



Wrong. Your immune system attacks anything it recognizes as "foreign" and has the capacity to attack almost any existing and non-existing, nature or synthetic antigens as long as they are recognized as "foreign."

Your immune system (lymphocytes) has the capacity to attack any "self" antigens but they are killed during their development. So anything goes wrong in that process can cause these "self-aggressive" lymphocytes to survive and start attacking your own body.

Also, uncontrolled release of inflammatory cytokines also cause substantial damage to your body. Meningitis causes damage not because the bacteria (N. meningitidis) produce toxin that damages the body, but that when they die they release large amount of lipopolysaccharide (an essential component of Gram Negative bacteria) which results in your white blood cells releasing huge amount of inflammatory cytokines that eventually damage your body (think allergy).

So yes, something as amazing as your body does attack itself and they have been exploited by many types of pathogens for their advantages.



Wrong. You don't realize there is such a field as veterinary oncology do you?

In fact, the Tasmanian Devils are on the brink of extinction because they are plagued by a type of cancer known as Devil facial tumour disease. It is estimated that they will go into extinction if we cannot find a cure for them in time.
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First of all I am well aware of "cancer" in pets. This is because people will pay to have their pets treated for "cancer". I know that even some livestock will get "cancer" but for the most part livestock is vaccinated in a manner that prevents them from getting "cancer" on the same level as pets and humans.

You see, medicine can cure any "cancer" or prevent any "cancer" as is evident in livestock. Livestock rarely suffers from the same diseases as humans and pets because there is no money in diseased livestock.

You might have noticed that quotation marks around the word cancer. I'm sure everyone here has a healthy misunderstanding of the word cancer. First and foremost there are oncologist exposing the fact that "cancer" is nothing more than a fungus. So from now on lets refer to "cancer" for what it really is and call it fungus.

There is not one truth published in regards to "cancer" in medicine and medical science, just a bunch scare tactics and propaganda.
 
ShareCures said:
First of all I am well aware of "cancer" in pets. This is because people will pay to have their pets treated for "cancer". I know that even some livestock will get "cancer" but for the most part livestock is vaccinated in a manner that prevents them from getting "cancer" on the same level as pets and humans.

You see, medicine can cure any "cancer" or prevent any "cancer" as is evident in livestock. Livestock rarely suffers from the same diseases as humans and pets because there is no money in diseased livestock.

You might have noticed that quotation marks around the word cancer. I'm sure everyone here has a healthy misunderstanding of the word cancer. First and foremost there are oncologist exposing the fact that "cancer" is nothing more than a fungus. So from now on lets refer to "cancer" for what it really is and call it fungus.

There is not one truth published in regards to "cancer" in medicine and medical science, just a bunch scare tactics and propaganda.
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Great Jebus, we have a Simoncini nutter cultist on our hands.
 
ShareCures said:
There is not one truth published in regards to "cancer" in medicine and medical science, just a bunch scare tactics and propaganda.
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Moderators, please move this thead to "Conspiracy theories" where it belongs.

IXP
 
IXP said:
Evidence please.

IXP
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If by foremost he means Tulio Simoncini, a quack Italian physician who claims to be an oncologist but never received any training as one, has been convicted in court for fraud and homicide and expelled from the Italian medical order.
 
ShareCures said:
The nice thing about these discussions is those who are open to the truth find cures and those against the truth suffer from disease.
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Several people have asked you for your methods. how do they find these cures when all you do is rant and rave and provide no useful information?

IXP
 
ShareCures said:
The nice thing about these discussions is those who are open to the truth find cures and those against the truth suffer from disease.
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Great point. Which is why your blatant nonsense should be exposed for the ignorant garbage that it is...well, your own posts easily do that without anyone's help.
 
Dragonrock said:
Where's your proof that fungus causes cancer?
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No fungus does not cause "cancer". Fungus is "cancer" or "cancer" is fungus. And my proof is the same as yours that cancer isn't fungus. You see, you have no proof that I am wrong. Matter of fact you have nothing to dispute my claims other than hearsay.

However if you know someone with "cancer" I will direct them to curing fungus and their "cancer" will be eliminated.

The only proof for anything in regards to health is whether or not a person has a disease and is then cured or not. And even then the proof is only proof for the person who was cured.

You see medicine relies on hearsay for proof but in reality medicine has NO proof what so ever.
 
ShareCures said:
No fungus does not cause "cancer". Fungus is "cancer" or "cancer" is fungus. And my proof is the same as yours that cancer isn't fungus. You see, you have no proof that I am wrong. Matter of fact you have nothing to dispute my claims other than hearsay.
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I have genetics. What do you have?
However if you know someone with "cancer" I will direct them to curing fungus and their "cancer" will be eliminated.
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What a scumbag.
The only proof for anything in regards to health is whether or not a person has a disease and is then cured or not. And even then the proof is only proof for the person who was cured.
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Your blatant disregard for the health and safety of the ill is truly disgusting. You are one of the most unethical scum I've ever had the disgust of conversing with.
You see medicine relies on hearsay for proof but in reality medicine has NO proof what so ever.
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What a liar.
 
ShareCures said:
No fungus does not cause "cancer". Fungus is "cancer" or "cancer" is fungus. And my proof is the same as yours that cancer isn't fungus. You see, you have no proof that I am wrong. Matter of fact you have nothing to dispute my claims other than hearsay.

However if you know someone with "cancer" I will direct them to curing fungus and their "cancer" will be eliminated.

The only proof for anything in regards to health is whether or not a person has a disease and is then cured or not. And even then the proof is only proof for the person who was cured.

You see medicine relies on hearsay for proof but in reality medicine has NO proof what so ever.
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Sweetcheeks, you make the claim the fungus is cancer so you have to provide evidence. As in test or studies or microscope slide images or something concrete. You don't get to say "because I said so" if you want any of us to believe you.
 
ShareCures said:
You see medicine relies on hearsay for proof but in reality medicine has NO proof what so ever.
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And you do have proof I suppose? I have asked for it twice now, with no reply except the apparent ravings of a lunatic.

IXP
 
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