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How much time do we really have?

mikeb768 said:
My personal belief about Muslims who do not believe Jesus is God? OK, that is kind of a strange question, but I think they too are on the right track.

Maybe you have me confused with another member of the forums?
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Yes sorry, I did. Your post superficially resembled one of his.
 
Tom Skylark said:
War of the prophets in the Middle-East. The Jewish prophet Ezekiel vs. the Moslem prophet Mohammad. It looks like the Psalms 83 war will happen first.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/fortbliss/ci_24986546/israel-warns-growing-jihadi-threat-from-syria

There are a series of wars brewing in the Middle-East.

http://www.raptureforums.com/forum/...rds-ezekiel-chapter-38-39-fullfillment-7.html POST 131 POST 131 shows the Ezekiel 38:2-6 nations uniting economically and some now have military alliances.

What about the Mahdi prophecy about the Moslems taking over the world? One prophet is wrong. Whom? Ezekiel or Mohammad?
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Rejoicing in the mass deaths such a war would create, to get -you- to Paradise..... Lordy, save us.
 
Tom Skylark said:
War of the prophets in the Middle-East. The Jewish prophet Ezekiel vs. the Moslem prophet Mohammad. It looks like the Psalms 83 war will happen first.

http://www.elpasotimes.com/fortbliss/ci_24986546/israel-warns-growing-jihadi-threat-from-syria

There are a series of wars brewing in the Middle-East.

http://www.raptureforums.com/forum/...rds-ezekiel-chapter-38-39-fullfillment-7.html POST 131 POST 131 shows the Ezekiel 38:2-6 nations uniting economically and some now have military alliances.

What about the Mahdi prophecy about the Moslems taking over the world? One prophet is wrong. Whom? Ezekiel or Mohammad?
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OK there seem to be quite a few things wrong with what you have stated.

Just to start with, Jewish prophet vs. Muslim prophet?
Ezekiel (Dhul-Kifl in Arabic) is widely recognized as a prophet of God in Islam.
List of Prophets in Islam.

What leads you to believe that one prophet is wrong if they all brought the same message, that is to worship and remember God? In your opinion how did the message of Ezekiel differ from that of other prophets?
 
I Ratant, Telling others about the prophecies might avoid massive deaths. If people knew in advance the outcomes of these wars perhaps some would choose not to fight in these wars.
 
mikeb 768, Ezekiel 38:18-23 mentions Israel's God who has wrath who Ezekiel 38:23 whose name is then magnified in many nations when this war is over. Allah does not win victory.

If the Moslems knew the trajedy of this war maybe some would choose not to fight in this war. Ezekiel 39:1-4.

Persia/Iran (Ezekiel 38:5) is a powerful nation in this coalition of nations against Israel. Iranian propaganda videos show Hezbollah leader Nasrallah as liberator of Jerusalem.

The various Jewish prophets say there will be desolation in the Middle-East and the Mahdi prophecy mentions a Moslem conquest of the world.

Both prophecies carry a different message. Both prophecies tell of a great war in which many people will be killed.

Perhaps there should be a debate on television with the two religions involved and people could see how foolish war will be and maybe some people will refuse to fight in this war as the Jews and the Moslems can trace their beginnings back to Abraham but I see the news reports coming out of the Middle-East and real lasting peace doesn't look possible.
 
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Tom Skylark said:
I Ratant, Telling others about the prophecies might avoid massive deaths. If people knew in advance the outcomes of these wars perhaps some would choose not to fight in these wars.
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What about the Anti Christ and Satan and all these other guys that are going to get flung into the Lake of Fire, or whatever? Why do they go ahead with their evil deeds and making war on the Lamb when they know what's in store for them - or don't they have a copy of the Book of Revelation?
 
mikeb768 said:
OK there seem to be quite a few things wrong with what you have stated.

Just to start with, Jewish prophet vs. Muslim prophet?
Ezekiel (Dhul-Kifl in Arabic) is widely recognized as a prophet of God in Islam.
List of Prophets in Islam.

What leads you to believe that one prophet is wrong if they all brought the same message, that is to worship and remember God? In your opinion how did the message of Ezekiel differ from that of other prophets?
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And fill the collection plate after the service... Daddy needs another Rolls Royce.
 
Tom Skylark said:
mikeb 768, Ezekiel 38:18-23 mentions Israel's God who has wrath who Ezekiel 38:23 whose name is then magnified in many nations when this war is over. Allah does not win victory.

If the Moslems knew the trajedy of this war maybe some would choose not to fight in this war. Ezekiel 39:1-4.

Persia/Iran (Ezekiel 38:5) is a powerful nation in this coalition of nations against Israel. Iranian propaganda videos show Hezbollah leader Nasrallah as liberator of Jerusalem.

The various Jewish prophets say there will be desolation in the Middle-East and the Mahdi prophecy mentions a Moslem conquest of the world.

Both prophecies carry a different message. Both prophecies tell of a great war in which many people will be killed.

Perhaps there should be a debate on television with the two religions involved and people could see how foolish war will be and maybe some people will refuse to fight in this war as the Jews and the Moslems can trace their beginnings back to Abraham but I see the news reports coming out of the Middle-East and real lasting peace doesn't look possible.
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Not as long as raving lunatics are controlling their particular religions, with all that crap about god/allah.
It is ordinary human nature to resist any encroachments by "them"... and the raving lunatics know this, and exploit it.
Education of everyone is the key to universal peace, not mass murder of "them".
Demonstrating the fraudulent nature and fictional content of all religions is the need.
 
Tom Skylark said:
mikeb 768, Ezekiel 38:18-23 mentions Israel's God who has wrath who Ezekiel 38:23 whose name is then magnified in many nations when this war is over. Allah does not win victory.

If the Moslems knew the trajedy of this war maybe some would choose not to fight in this war. Ezekiel 39:1-4.

Persia/Iran (Ezekiel 38:5) is a powerful nation in this coalition of nations against Israel. Iranian propaganda videos show Hezbollah leader Nasrallah as liberator of Jerusalem.

The various Jewish prophets say there will be desolation in the Middle-East and the Mahdi prophecy mentions a Moslem conquest of the world.

Both prophecies carry a different message. Both prophecies tell of a great war in which many people will be killed.

Perhaps there should be a debate on television with the two religions involved and people could see how foolish war will be and maybe some people will refuse to fight in this war as the Jews and the Moslems can trace their beginnings back to Abraham but I see the news reports coming out of the Middle-East and real lasting peace doesn't look possible.
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The word Allah (Arabic) Literally translates into the words "The God" in English. Also Jesus who most scholars agree would have spoke Aramaic (also who you claim to follow) would have used the word "Elah" when referring to God.

Why do Muslims use the word Allah?

The word "Allah" can also be found (referring to God) in Arabic Bibles that can be found throughout the Middle East, btw. Link

So by making statements such as "Allah (God) does not win victory"...
[+] You are contradicting the teachings of Jesus/the Bible (As we all know God always wins in the end)
[+] You are showing your ignorance regarding Jesus (Language of Jesus)
[+] You are also putting down your fellow Christians who just happen to live in a different part of the world and just happen to speak a different language than yourself
 
CraigB, Two interesting questions on post #206. I am not sure how to answer those questions. I believe you will correct me where I might be wrong.

Satan rebelled against God so the story goes. Satan was an angel who wanted his own kingdom. Satan hated man who was created in God's image. (Genesis 1:26) Satan decided earth would be his kingdom. Satan even offered Jesus Christ the world if Jesus would worship Satan. Jesus didn't destroy Satan right then because mankind would be given free choice to either worship Jesus or not to worship Jesus. Satan loves to see the destruction of humanlife and Satan believes he will never lose his kingdom on earth so this may be Satan's reason's for rejecting the Book of Revelation.
 
Craig B said:
What about the Anti Christ and Satan and all these other guys that are going to get flung into the Lake of Fire, or whatever? Why do they go ahead with their evil deeds and making war on the Lamb when they know what's in store for them - or don't they have a copy of the Book of Revelation?
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Satan (in Islam) - Arrogant, Prideful, Jealous of Mankind/Disobeyed God, Promised that he would do his best to lead mankind away from God (thereby showing God that mankind is not worthy/ungrateful), Already knows his place within Hell (although misery loves company), created of the Jinn race (thereby having free will) Angels in Islam are not understood to be beings of free will (differs from the Christian understanding of Satan's nature).
Sources: [Quran 7:11-17], [Quran 4:118-122], Satan's speech on the Day of Judgement [Quran 14:22]


Anti Christ (in Islam) (Al-Masih ad-Dajjal or just Dajjal) - Will come during a time of great turmoil, will preform what seem to be great miracles, will first declare himself to be a prophet of God. Then later he will claim that he is God himself. Many people will be fooled into thinking that he is actually God. Will eventually be slain by Jesus (shortly after Jesus' return).
*There are many signs which are understood as precursors for his arrival. Also as mentioned in the OP, the arrival of the Anti Christ is understood to be the first of the Major signs.

Why do people/other free-willed beings knowingly choose evil over good? That is a good question.
 
Any conflict based on any religion is just plain murder.
Any promoters of a conflict based on any religion should be locked in a rubber room and heavily medicated.
Religions have killed too many people.
It's way past time to stop religions.
 
Tom Skylark said:
... Satan loves to see the destruction of humanlife and Satan believes he will never lose his kingdom on earth so this may be Satan's reason's for rejecting the Book of Revelation.
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So Satan doesn't think God can do the stuff in Revelation. You know better about God than Satan does?
 
Craig B said:
So Satan doesn't think God can do the stuff in Revelation. You know better about God than Satan does?
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Nope, I don't know about God better than Satan does. Why would Satan stir up rebellion against God unless Satan thought at sometime in the final outcome that Satan would emerge the winner?

People generally rebel because they want to replace their leaders or change the laws in which the they live under.Example: Syria some people decided they did not want to live under Assad's rules and there is civil war.
 
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Tom Skylark said:
Nope, I don't know about God better than Satan does. Why would Satan stir up rebellion against God unless Satan thought at sometime in the final outcome that Satan would emerge the winner?

People generally rebel because they want to replace their leaders or change the laws in which the they live under.Example: Syria some people decided they did not want to live under Assad's rules and there is civil war.
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Imo, it's not that Satan thinks that he will one day defeat God's plan/become the "winner". Satan knows that this will never be the case, it is more that he does not believe that God should have never held mankind in such high esteem, as the majority are/will be ungrateful. It's kind of like a bet, with the Devil on one end saying "just give me some time to prove to you I was right" and God then granting Satan time until the Day of Judgement. Maybe "vindication" is the proper term to describe Satan's actions and his overall outlook.

[Quran 15:36-48]

A summarized version of The origin of the Devil
 
Tom Skylark said:
mikeb 768, Ezekiel 38:18-23 mentions Israel's God who has wrath who Ezekiel 38:23 whose name is then magnified in many nations when this war is over. Allah does not win victory.

If the Moslems knew the trajedy of this war maybe some would choose not to fight in this war. Ezekiel 39:1-4.

Persia/Iran (Ezekiel 38:5) is a powerful nation in this coalition of nations against Israel. Iranian propaganda videos show Hezbollah leader Nasrallah as liberator of Jerusalem.

The various Jewish prophets say there will be desolation in the Middle-East and the Mahdi prophecy mentions a Moslem conquest of the world.

Both prophecies carry a different message. Both prophecies tell of a great war in which many people will be killed.

Perhaps there should be a debate on television with the two religions involved and people could see how foolish war will be and maybe some people will refuse to fight in this war as the Jews and the Moslems can trace their beginnings back to Abraham but I see the news reports coming out of the Middle-East and real lasting peace doesn't look possible.
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Since you have not provided any counter argument as for why the Aramaic word "Elah" (which most scholars agree Jesus would have used) is somehow different than the Arabic word for God "Allah", I'm going to assume you agree with this.

Also which version of the Bible are you using that refers to God as "Israel's God" in Ezekiel 38?

And if you believe that the Jewish people were brought into existence by the "God of Israel", then do you also believe that all other races and nations came into existence by deities other than the God of Israel?
 
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