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mikeb768 said:
Let me get this straight, so God is forcing you to be an atheist? lol
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Well, according to you, yes.

God created him knowing that he would be an Atheist, apparently.

God will now punish him for eternity (or a very long time), because he is an Atheist.

He apparently had no choice, because god knew how he was going to turn out before he was even born. There is no way, according to you, that he can be other than the way god made him.

So why the **** would a just god punish him for that?
 
mikeb768 said:
But you can't disprove God either. So basically you believe (or have faith) that the God which I am describing as the creator of our universe does not exist.

Other than God (the God of Abraham), which god is the next best candidate for God in your opinion and why?
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Just out of curiosity, you understand...

You're missing something here.

As you ought to know by now, most people here do not believe in any god.

For many, the default position is that until there's some evidence for existence, no god is real.
 
mikeb768 said:
But you can't disprove God either. So basically you believe (or have faith) that the God which I am describing as the creator of our universe does not exist.

Other than God (the God of Abraham), which god is the next best candidate for God in your opinion and why?
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This is so full of fallacy and assumption it is difficult to know where to begin.

I have made no claim to the existence of a god. The onus on is entirely on those who claim the existence of something for which there is no evidence to demonstrate that the thing exists. It isn't up to me or other atheists to try to prove a negative, which, as any 10 year old know, is impossible.

So basically I don't believe anything. Not even if you tell me lots that I do. I require evidence, and don't act on faith. You assertion that there is a magic-man in charge of everything has no evidence, so I don't accept it as true. Provide the testable, falsifiable evidence and I'll change my mind immediately.

Other than the god of Abraham? Why on earth would I consider ANY of the gods, let alone your specific favourite, to be the best candidate for anything? Gods exists in the place they were invented,: the imaginations of humans. I'll bet a pound to a penny that the reason that you think the god of Abraham is the very bestest of all the sky-daddies is that your mummy and daddy thought exactly the same thing. God belief is like an inherited disease, and the cure is to start thinking for yourself.
 
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Brainache said:
Well, according to you, yes.

God created him knowing that he would be an Atheist, apparently.

God will now punish him for eternity (or a very long time), because he is an Atheist.

He apparently had no choice, because god knew how he was going to turn out before he was even born. There is no way, according to you, that he can be other than the way god made him.

So why the **** would a just god punish him for that?
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Maybe we can find a cure for him, before his time expires?

But wait, how is it that abaddon would be sent to a place which he claims does not not exist, by a God who also does not exist?
 
Rincewind said:
Just out of curiosity, you understand...

You're missing something here.

As you ought to know by now, most people here do not believe in any god.

For many, the default position is that until there's some evidence for existence, no god is real.
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This has come up before. What evidence would you be willing to accept as proof of the existence of God?
 
MikeG said:
This is so full of fallacy and assumption it is difficult to know where to begin.

I have made no claim to the existence of a god. The onus on is entirely on those who claim the existence of something for which there is no evidence to demonstrate that the thing exists. It isn't up to me or other atheists to try to prove a negative, which, as any 10 year old know, is impossible.

So basically I don't believe anything. Not even if you tell me lots that I do. I require evidence, and don't act on faith. You assertion that there is a magic-man in charge of everything has no evidence, so I don't accept it as true. Provide the testable, falsifiable evidence and I'll change my mind immediately.

Other than the god of Abraham? Why on earth would I consider ANY of the gods, let alone your specific favourite, to be the best candidate for anything? Gods exists in the place they were invented,: the imaginations of humans. I'll bet a pound to a penny that the reason that you think the god of Abraham is the very bestest of all the sky-daddies is that your mummy and daddy thought exactly the same thing. God belief is like an inherited disease, and the cure is to start thinking for yourself.
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Thank you MikeG - better response than mine!
 
mikeb768 said:
This has come up before. What evidence would you be willing to accept as proof of the existence of God?
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If he took over the internet and all forms of communication and appeared on every TV, monitor, radio,smart phone, tablet and cinema screen. That should be a doddle for an all-powerful god but he appears to be a shy, retiring creature.
 
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mikeb768 said:
Maybe we can find a cure for him, before his time expires?

But wait, how is it that abaddon would be sent to a place which he claims does not not exist, by a God who also does not exist?
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Since I am the gatekeeper of hell, not going to happen. :D

Seriously, though, try to keep up. It is YOUR belief that I will be sent to an imaginary place by an imaginary being for performing exactly as he/she/it designed me to be, and as he/she/it knows in advance will behave. That is YOUR nonsensical proposition, not mine.
 
dafydd said:
If he took over the internet and all forms of communication and appeared on every TV, monitor, radio,smart phone, tablet and cinema screen. That should be a doddle for an all-powerful god but he appears to be a shy, retiring creature.
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So in your mind dafydd, God should have waited until the invention of the "TV, monitor, radio,smart phone, tablet and cinema screens", before announcing his presence to creation? Makes sense.
 
mikeb768 said:
So in your mind dafydd, God should have waited until the invention of the "TV, monitor, radio,smart phone, tablet and cinema screens", before announcing his presence to creation? Makes sense.
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Waiting 200,000 years and countless generations before announcing himself to an obscure bunch of primitive goat-herders makes more sense to you?
 
dafydd said:
If he took over the internet and all forms of communication and appeared on every TV, monitor, radio,smart phone, tablet and cinema screen. That should be a doddle for an all-powerful god but he appears to be a shy, retiring creature.
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That could conceivably be done by a non-deity. I'd prefer God to make the pyramids at Giza transparent, with 'God woz here' written in different colours inside every block of stone. Also, it could make every cloud, large or small, shape into 'Hello, I'm God', and rewrite every copy of the bible/quran/etc., so it made sense, and.. and...
 
mikeb768 said:
So in your mind dafydd, God should have waited until the invention of the "TV, monitor, radio,smart phone, tablet and cinema screens", before announcing his presence to creation? Makes sense.
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Ooh, a red herring... That's not the question you asked, nor that he replied to. If God appeared on all communications media, dafydd would accept that as proof of its existence.
 
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