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How many atheists in foxholes do we have here?

Are you an atheist in a foxhole?

  • Yes, Atheist in foxhole

    Votes: 45 57.7%
  • No, Theist in foxhole

    Votes: 2 2.6%
  • On Planet X, the FSM has an army of Attack Foxes

    Votes: 31 39.7%

  • Total voters
    78
  • Poll closed .
Just a reminder:

In the poll, by "atheists in foxholes", I mean anyone who's an atheist and who is (or was) a member of any of the defence forces or reserves.
 
Thank you. Having a pathological obsession with answering polls but a very British fear of acting inappropriately, I was waiting for someone else to do it first.

Dave
Ditto for me except I'm American so screw appropriateness!
 
If I were in a foxhole, I would definitely continue to be an atheist. My assessment of the evidence is not going to change because I fear death.
 
To be fear, the point of the "atheists in foxholes" saying is not that anyone in the military is religious, but rather than anyone caught in direct combat with the imminent threat of death is religious.
 
As Atheism becomes more common the people who class themselves as atheists will come from all parts of society (except maybe church), and the people who make such generalised statements as the one made to the OP above are just daft. They are making a presumption that all atheists must share the same views, I have lots of atheist friends and we rarely agree on anything except a disbelief in the absurd.

I suspect the same person would say all Muslims are bad because they don't like Islam. Such sweeping generalisations do nothing other than make the speaker sound pompous, and have a negative impact on anything atheists are fighting for, as they straight away alienate a large section of people.

You will have people of most persuasions in most groups and whilst the argument for atheism is quite often based on historical and philosophical questions, as well as loads of scientific evidence, the only way to make any significant change is with numbers. Therefore, if someone is considered below average intelligence, or makes career choices that someone else might consider inappropriate or none of the above, all should be welcome'd and encouraged equally.
 
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To be fear, the point of the "atheists in foxholes" saying is not that anyone in the military is religious, but rather than anyone caught in direct combat with the imminent threat of death is religious.

Yes that is why I mentionned my experience in the post above.

But after reflection i think this does not apply because imminent threat of death make you go into a "flight or fight" reaction, which do not leave place to reflection.

No, I think all situation where there is a high potential for death, and you are powerless to advert it, should qualify.
* that means your classic meaning the sentence was in "being in a trench and getting bombed"
* but that also means other situation where you could die. How many Atheist firemen in a foxhole ? How many Policement Atheist in a foxhole ? Etc...
* also situation you are born with : how many Atheist with degenerative genetic in a foxhole ? How many terminaly ill Aethist ? Etc....

Army should not be the only qualifier for a "foxhole" many profession or situation actually do qualify.
 
You must have the Anglican version of the bible.

In most versions of the bible, the 5th commandment is "Thou shalt not kill". (The Anglicans substituted "murder" for "kill").

Moses spoke English?
 
Ex RN, Not been in a leteral Foxhole but I have been secured in a ships compartment while the Argentinian Airforce tried to drop bombs on us so I suppose that's a steel foxhole
 
The only "foxhole" I've ever been in is one of my own construction during basic training....
No enemy were involved.
I have been a police officer for 40 years, and have been involved in a number of scrapes that were pretty hairy. I never found time to call upon the sky-daddy; I was too busy handling the situation.
Which brings up a thought about the origins of this saying.
Seems to me I recall that this originated around WWI, where troops on the front lines would endure seemingly endless artillery barrages while "dug in".
Imagine hours of shelling, day after day after day, with the knowledge that the next shell might take you out.
Under such constant stress, men broke. The term "shell shock" came into use about that time. It's hardly surprising that someone who might have been a convinced atheist would hunker down and start praying for deliverance under such incomprehensible stress.
Strictly an emotional response.
 
I'm not in the military, but it's understandable that there are atheists in foxholes. Beats being out in the open! (joke)
 
So the typical soldier is supposed to be a theist who wants to make a career out of violating the 5th commandment?

Yeah, that's odd. It would seem to make more sense for the atheists to go to war, since they don't have to be bound by a Bible or whatever.
 
Smart people join the military. Especially ones that have no idea what they want to do with their lives and tend to be unproductive in an unstructured environment.

So then, if you do not have any firm idea of what to do with your life, and are "smart", fighting some war should be a top choice for what to do?
 
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22 years Australian Regular Army and 5 years as a full-time Reserve.

I managed an associate diploma in aerospace maintenance techniques between hole digging assignments.
 
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To be fear, the point of the "atheists in foxholes" saying is not that anyone in the military is religious, but rather than anyone caught in direct combat with the imminent threat of death is religious.

Or that when in immediate danger/direct combat, will at least hedge their bets and start praying.
 
So then, if you do not have any firm idea of what to do with your life, and are "smart", fighting some war should be a top choice for what to do?

More along the lines of making some half decent money for a while then getting your school paid for once you've had some time to mature and think.
 

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