"How many angels can dance on the head of an open source pin?" ...

[rlopez2]

Not long ago I stated that the U.S. has, relatively quietly indeed!, become for the most part a technology-based police state in which business, akademia and politicians are in bed in such promiscuous ways that it is hard to see where the leg and toes of one starts and the rear end of another ends. Gringos are coming to terms out of their own self delusions about being a country of "well-intended", "freedom-loving" "good Christians" whose ideals are forever cast in stone by some sacrosanct, fool-proof Constitution, being trusted with carrying out God’s mandate on earth and darüberhinaus in the universe.

They seem to have been having an uneasy time redefining their beliefs, where they stand. Hmm! What exactly does that "freedom of speech" thing mean? What could they effing know in those times when people wrote on paper using a feather pen and illuminating themselves with spilling wax candles? They even thought of lightnings as expressions of God’s anger and seem to have had qualms about the French monarchy, but what did they mean?, aren’t the British the ones with their silly royalty? ...

Even a "delayed Yes, sir!" IT company such as twitter first stated that they would not participate in the Alex Jones witch hunt to then "reconsider" their stand not to be perceived as opposing the global control conglomerate carte of the NWO.

As it would be expected to happen in the U.S. the underlying narrative seems unclear on the surface at times confusing to the extent that it seems to belong to narratives during the inquisition, but forceful undercurrents are ultimately responsible for moving the waters and winds and moving them in certain directions.

Of course, social and cultural awareness once a while spike trying to make sense of things, using old words with new meanings in very weird ways I have found quite philosophically esoteric, yet amusing.

// __ Open Source Devs Reverse Decision to Block ICE Contractors From Using Software

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...-to-block-ice-contractors-from-using-software
~
The modified version specifically banned 16 organizations, including:
* Microsoft
* Palantir
* Amazon
* Northeastern University
* Johns Hopkins University
* Dell
* Xerox
* LinkedIn
* UPS
~
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8106

“The Lerna project’s choice is, moreover, destructive of one of the deep norms that keeps the open source community functional—keeping politics separated from our work.”
~

 

[fagin]

I think you already have a word salad thread here.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=331320

 

[Wolrab]

Hmmm...Open source... It seems that the one bitching even comprehends what that means:

Although Kyle acknowledged that it’s “part of the deal” that anyone “can use open source for evil,” he told me he couldn’t stand to see the software he helped develop get used by companies contracting with ICE.

Mustn't hurt his fragile feelings, should we. ICE is needed. Name a country that has completely open borders.

If it is so bad here in the USA, why don't you find someplace better to live? Maybe someplace with top quality, free mental health care?

 

[abaddon]

errr....

 

[MikeG]

Does anyone have a clue what the OP is on about?

 

[Porpoise of Life]

Does anyone have a clue what the OP is on about?

I'm guessing something along the lines of
'Everything is a conspiracy by everyone and I'm not paranoid, sheeple!'

 

[Axxman300]

I'm hoping Police State and Deep State meet in the Orange Bowl this year.

 

[Hans]

I'm hoping Police State and Deep State meet in the Orange Bowl this year.

Its rather boring - the decision on who wins is made two years before the game is played.

 

[Hans]

Not long ago I stated that the U.S. has, relatively quietly indeed!, become for the most part a technology-based police state in which business, akademia and politicians are in bed in such promiscuous ways that it is hard to see where the leg and toes of one starts and the rear end of another ends. Gringos are coming to terms out of their own self delusions about being a country of "well-intended", "freedom-loving" "good Christians" whose ideals are forever cast in stone by some sacrosanct, fool-proof Constitution, being trusted with carrying out God’s mandate on earth and darüberhinaus in the universe.

They seem to have been having an uneasy time redefining their beliefs, where they stand. Hmm! What exactly does that "freedom of speech" thing mean? What could they effing know in those times when people wrote on paper using a feather pen and illuminating themselves with spilling wax candles? They even thought of lightnings as expressions of God’s anger and seem to have had qualms about the French monarchy, but what did they mean?, aren’t the British the ones with their silly royalty? ...

Even a "delayed Yes, sir!" IT company such as twitter first stated that they would not participate in the Alex Jones witch hunt to then "reconsider" their stand not to be perceived as opposing the global control conglomerate carte of the NWO.

As it would be expected to happen in the U.S. the underlying narrative seems unclear on the surface at times confusing to the extent that it seems to belong to narratives during the inquisition, but forceful undercurrents are ultimately responsible for moving the waters and winds and moving them in certain directions.

Of course, social and cultural awareness once a while spike trying to make sense of things, using old words with new meanings in very weird ways I have found quite philosophically esoteric, yet amusing.

// __ Open Source Devs Reverse Decision to Block ICE Contractors From Using Software

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/...-to-block-ice-contractors-from-using-software
~
The modified version specifically banned 16 organizations, including:
* Microsoft
* Palantir
* Amazon
* Northeastern University
* Johns Hopkins University
* Dell
* Xerox
* LinkedIn
* UPS
~
http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=8106

“The Lerna project’s choice is, moreover, destructive of one of the deep norms that keeps the open source community functional—keeping politics separated from our work.”
~

Que? Ponte las pilas.

 

[rlopez2]

Hoping my comments won't be not only removed but redacted inline (not just a "bad word", but whole paragraphs containing no profanity), something I hadn't seen before in any other fora. Of course, I am keeping copies of my posts.

In one occasion someone was telling me: since the Israeli government doesn't put people in boxcars you can't compare them to Nazis. I wonder why would they even have to put Palestinians in boxcars? To bring them where? They already have them in the largest and longest concentrations camps ever!

In some other occasion someone asked me (in relation to the mind-body link) "what exactly some undersea creatures were telling the 5th monkey?", I couldn't help but enjoying that moment with some high caliber sarcasm with no profanity whatsoever, but it was edited out by the conscientious is topical police.

RE: Mustn't hurt his fragile feelings, should we. ICE is needed.

This is not what I am talking about "strong feelings" and I am fine with you believing you are hurting someone's fragile feelings with your bs.

RE: Name a country that has completely open borders.

Again, this is not what I am talking about and is topical police this is a response to his question, this is only a response to his question, OK?

Since you are the one mentioning it, I could reverse your question with what I see as a more enlightening one from the little corner from which I see reality and since you are a "strong feelings" kind of person I hope shedding some light on your collective blind spots shouldn't be a problem, right?:

Doesn't USG assume all countries must have "open borders" to their bs? and, of course, when I say "all countries" I mean those that can't defend themselves on an equal basis.

China has both "illegally" and -illegally- claimed 2% of the pacific ocean (the 2% that matters I should have said, with huge exploitable oil, gas and most probably strategic mineral reserves since that area encompasses large parts of the ring of fire as well). The British and U.S. government started some bsing verbalizations about, as they said: "the rule of law", and, when you thought things started to get really interesting, after the Chinese gave them their interpretation about "the rule of law" by ramming a merchant ship against one of their navy destroyers what they did was resorting to language usage about "advertising their location" (I am not kidding you!), asking for permission to navigate international waters and, you ready?, they reacted with self-ridiculing, clowning operations such as sinking their own ships as "a test"!?! Now, this time around they didn't need a CIA manufactured casus belli and China does have WMDs so about that they didn't have to lie either. How boring that end of the story! Not even usable for a B movie!

The ICE would do a much efficient work with way less tax payers funds if they were able to stop USG from messing with Central American countries don't you think? We talked about it in this other world salad of mine:

// __ It’s The Other Way Around: Central American Immigrants Aren’t Invading us ...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=330705
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RE: If it is so bad here in the USA, why don't you find someplace better to live?
RE: Maybe someplace with top quality, free mental health care?

Something interesting about the new narratives in "'the' land of the free and 'the' 'brave' ..." is how easily and seamlessly you have adopted in the U.S. the language of the soviets.

Here is "the greatest U.S. president ever" telling us about "his new hobby":

// __ Reagan tells Soviet jokes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mN3z3eSVG7A&t=1m20s
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he, at the very least, admits that Russian people have a great sense of humor, which as any psychologist would tell you is a reliable sign of mental health. I don't hear comedians here in the U.S. cracking jokes about 70+ of the U.S. population living from paycheck-to-paycheck

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/24/most-americans-live-paycheck-to-paycheck.html
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I mean so many people in the U.S. can't even get jokes straigh event if they are coming from the Onion for Christ's sake! As someone commented: "Incredible how many ppl take this for real"

// __ Bloomberg Defends NYPD's Controversial Stop And Kiss Program

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXXaj--a6-4
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Even while factoring out the Trump-related aspect of it I am amazed at the degree of collective gringo neurosis about "Vladimir Putin": OK, let's say that he did mess with U.S. elections somehow (which I don't believe and no credible proof of it has been presented as of yet), what is the big deal?!? USG messes with every self moving thing they can in the known Universe!

 

[Hans]

Hmmm looks like we are getting a 'this is my blog and I'm ranting and whining about everything'.

 

[fagin]

I'd mention 'quote fail', again, but simply 'fail' is possibly more accurate.

 

[Kid Eager]

OP derails own thread on second post. Is that a record?

 

[The Atheist]

In one occasion someone was telling me: since the Israeli government doesn't put people in boxcars you can't compare them to Nazis. I wonder why would they even have to put Palestinians in boxcars? To bring them where? They already have them in the largest and longest concentrations camps ever!

That appears to have been overlooked, probably because it's correct in every respect.

Saying it will get you branded an antisemite, though. For some reason, Israel is untouchable and unimpeachable. Just like the POTUS, funnily enough.

Looks to me like English isn't your first language and some people are using that against you.

Also fairly typical.

The ICE would do a much efficient work with way less tax payers funds if they were able to stop USG from messing with Central American countries don't you think? We talked about it in this other world salad of mine:

Yep, USA has had its dirty fingers in many pies down there, but that's what you get when you make the rules.

/

I don't hear comedians here in the U.S. cracking jokes about 70+ of the U.S. population living from paycheck-to-paycheck

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/24/most-americans-live-paycheck-to-paycheck.html

Nicely put.

Even while factoring out the Trump-related aspect of it I am amazed at the degree of collective gringo neurosis about "Vladimir Putin": OK, let's say that he did mess with U.S. elections somehow (which I don't believe and no credible proof of it has been presented as of yet), what is the big deal?!? USG messes with every self moving thing they can in the known Universe!

And nailed again.

Why is this in CT? You seem to be talking about geopolitics rather than conspiracies. US involvement in Central America, payday-to-payday and the Holocaust being perpetrated by Israel are all factual.

 

[3point14]

For reasons I won't expound, it's just one. As long as the dance is the Gavotte.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

That appears to have been overlooked, probably because it's correct in every respect.

Saying it will get you branded an antisemite, though. For some reason, Israel is untouchable and unimpeachable. Just like the POTUS, funnily enough.



Why is this in CT? You seem to be talking about geopolitics rather than conspiracies. US involvement in Central America, payday-to-payday and the Holocaust being perpetrated by Israel are all factual.

If, as you allege, the Israelis are committing genocide against the Palestinian Arabs, perhaps you could provide figures as to how much the population has fallen since this policy began?

http://www.maannews.com/Content.aspx?id=386989

 

[rlopez2]

RE: Why is this in CT? You seem to be talking about geopolitics rather than conspiracies. US involvement in Central America, payday-to-payday and the Holocaust being perpetrated by Israel are all factual.

Actually, the very first word salad that I posted here on the U.S. Politics forum

// __ the new normal?, toward a "Psychocivilized" Society?, our "Brave New World"? ...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=330455
~
was moved into the CT one even though I wrote it up in ways that every single statement was falsifiable and my personal opinions were very clearly stated (which I think it may be what actually bothers them). I was giving people more than enough evidence about some downright abusive MK-Ultra kind of **** going on in the U.S. since the 90’s and about many people committing suicide because of that. I mean as it happened with the Snowden revelations, they have been even openly talking about it even on the Dr. Phil show

// __ Woman Claims She Started Hearing Voices Following The Birth Of Her Child

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/woman-claims-she-started-hearing-070028013.html
~
there is more than enough information about such matters out there explained in terms the general public can understand and in video form

// __ HEAR VOICES? IT MAY BE AN AD

http://adage.com/article/news/hear-voices-ad/122491/
~
https://www.ted.com/talks/woody_norris_invents_amazing_things
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http://www.explainthatstuff.com/directional-loudspeakers.html
~
// __ ABC 10 News: San Diego mom thinks she's the victim of "community stalking"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0mjwAPtcRY
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but what the skeptic smart rear ends here have repeatedly and consistently told me is too "seek professional help for my mental illness" ... telling me that "I don’t have to suffer ..."

I found that "cool" Norris ted talk so creepy that I wonder if people are losing their wits. I even found his kind of persuasion so creepy! One of his "cool", down right cynical jokes was about people, so-called "terrorists" being tormented in Iraq by his "invention". People in the audience reacted with exhilaration, apparently without considering at all that USG genocidally invaded and destroyed a country based on well-known lies.

Same thing happened when I tried again to post another thread on USP even though I wasn’t talking about nothing conspiratorial

// __ they went after definitely more than Alex Jones, who and what will be next? ...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=12389256
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they started telling me I was an Alex Jones closet lover and all kinds of nonsense, so, I will just default to post my word salads on CT and let them put to good use their smarts.
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RE: Looks to me like English isn't your first language and some people are using that against you. Also fairly typical.

It is not even about English not being my first language on which I am equally messy. Spanish speakers at times have questioned if Spanish is my mother tongue and even if I am Cuban. To me languages in general look and feel like objects of carpentry (which doesn't have to be something bad).

Many posters here can't take what you say for what it means simply because they don't want to hear, believe certain things. Or simply because they don't have a clue with both hands on their rear end about what you are talking about (for example, the mind body link), but you must be wrong anyway, since you are some "negrito" it seems ...

Girlfriend has told me many times that I should not think that most people doing that are sock puppets and trolls, that people tend to be naturally idiotic like that.
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RE: If, as you allege, the Israelis are committing genocide against the Palestinian Arabs ...

Actually legally speaking genocide is a well-defined term not only under International but U.S. law. This is how it is defined and seen:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Prevention_and_Punishment_of_the_Crime_of_Genocide

Definition of genocide: Article 2 of the Convention defines genocide as

...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

1. Classification: People are divided into "us and them".
2. Symbolization: "When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups..."
3. Dehumanization: "One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects, or diseases."
4. Organization: "Genocide is always organized...
5. Polarization: "Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda..."
6. Preparation: "Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity..."
7. Extermination: "It is 'extermination' to the killers because they do not believe their victims to be fully human".
8. Denial: "The perpetrators... deny that they committed any crimes..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions
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Let me give you some 3rd grade Math exercise you may find interesting. All it takes is 3 relatively long divisions (just to the hundredths).

The US and British government 8 timed the genocidal ratio of Nazi Germany during WWII to show that to yourself all you need is widely available public information.

 

[MikeG]

Does anyone have a clue what the OP is on about?

Despite some assistance, I'm still none the wiser, particularly as the poster can't use the quote function which everyone else on the planet can manage, and s/he can't stick to any single topic. So, I'm calling "gibberish" on this one.

 

[The Atheist]

If, as you allege, the Israelis are committing genocide against the Palestinian Arabs, perhaps you could provide figures as to how much the population has fallen since this policy began?

Ask me again in 20 years, plus Lopez answers the point quite nicely if you can find it in the post.

It is not even about English not being my first language on which I am equally messy. Spanish speakers at times have questioned if Spanish is my mother tongue and even if I am Cuban. To me languages in general look and feel like objects of carpentry (which doesn't have to be something bad).

Yes, except your carpentry is a table with three legs, all of varying lengths and angles.

It's a bit hard to understand, and as noted elsewhere, the quote function being used correctly would make your posts a lot easier to read.

 

[Cosmic Yak]

Ask me again in 20 years, plus Lopez answers the point quite nicely if you can find it in the post.

No, I'm asking you now. If you are arguing that Israel is comitting genocide against the Palestinian Arabs, you need to explain how their population has increased 8-fold since 1948, rather than trying to argue about future possibilities. (I believe that Argument for Future Consequences is a logical fallacy). What evidence do you have that Israel is, firstly, intent on exterminating the Palestinian Arabs, and, secondly, is actually doing that?

RE: If, as you allege, the Israelis are committing genocide against the Palestinian Arabs ...

Actually legally speaking genocide is a well-defined term not only under International but U.S. law. This is how it is defined and seen:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convention_on_the_Prevention_and_Punishment_of_the_Crime_of_Genocide

Definition of genocide: Article 2 of the Convention defines genocide as

...any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group; (b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

1. Classification: People are divided into "us and them".
2. Symbolization: "When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups..."
3. Dehumanization: "One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects, or diseases." 4. Organization: "Genocide is always organized...
5. Polarization: "Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda..." 6. Preparation: "Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity..." 7. Extermination: "It is 'extermination' to the killers because they do not believe their victims to be fully human". 8. Denial: "The perpetrators... deny that they committed any crimes..."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_definitions
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Let me give you some 3rd grade Math exercise you may find interesting. All it takes is 3 relatively long divisions (just to the hundredths).

The US and British government 8 timed the genocidal ratio of Nazi Germany during WWII to show that to yourself all you need is widely available public information.

Highlighted are what the Palestinian Arabs (by which I mean Hamas and Islamic Jihad) are doing to the Israelis. By your own argument, it is the Palestinian Arabs who are trying to commit genocide against the Israelis.

On the other hand, most of what is defined as genocide is not being done by the Israelis to the Palestinians. Nor have they put out messages of intent that this is what they want to do. Again, this contrasts with the public statements of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, both of which organisations have said that they want to exterminate the Jews.

This is one of those polarising issues in which fact is often obscured by emotion and propaganda. I suggest you have a dispassionate look at both sides of the story, rather than relying on inaccurate and hateful propaganda.

And learn to use the quote function.