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T.A.M. - I agree, you were the one who brought this weak argument/evidence up. You have confirmed my point, which is that we know very little of what they were thinking on the matter. I would say that to cover my point of them not believing the "inside job" version, that I would expect many of them to say something if they truely believe the govt they work for was guilty of killing 3000 of its own citizens. But that is just opinion, and is a weak argument."
You really believe that someone is going to throw away their career, damage their lifestyle, jepordize their family, and all the other shredding that they will have to stand up to??? Do you really believe this? Just take the many other Whistleblowers as an example of what happens to them for speaking out.
They probably provide bits of infromation anonymously, but they are not that stupid to throw themselves into the fire. They are going to wait until there is an Administration that won't crucifiy them for speaking out and telling the truth. I know that is what I would do....
"1. I would make an educated guess that the factors that caused WTC 1/2 to collapse, versus the others, had to do with (1) WTC 1/2 Unique design, (2) Airliner impact with severing of columns, removal of fireproofing. As for WTC 7. I believe part of it was extensive fires covering multiple floors, unchecked for hours, combined with severe structural damage from WTC debris, wich caused a 10-20 storey hole in the south side of the building, and other factors I do not know of."
Some of that seems like a logical approach. However, physics states that most of what happend could not in the way it did without some outside source assisting. For example, I have not hear anyone say that the towers were not severely damaged. The problem is that this damage may have caused a progressive collapse of many floors, this collapse would have eventually slowed and stopped at some point during the process due to lack of the resistance being removed as the top part fell.
Yes WTC7 did have a "hole" on some of the structure for several stories, but it did not wipe out ANY structural component such as the columns. The fires were not that bad, especially when you look at fires in other steel framed buildings that burned hotter and longer that did NOT fall.
"2. The "pull it" quote you tried to sneak in there, is of little relevence to your initial question, expected, but will not be addressed in this context."
No problem, but at what point does ANYONE refer to people as "IT"?
"Show me how they were restricted. I do not want some vague blanket statement that they were "restricted". My comments on why they might have been resticted are totally dependent on what the restrictions were or were not. You bring up the SOP over and over again, so please give me a link to the NIST SOP. I have addressed this issue above."
Let's just make this comparison! The 911 ommission commission was denied access, and though I am not in DIRECT knowledge I surmise that if this group was directed and refused access to items and material that the same would be with NIST.
As far as the SOP, I don't have time to look for it (no this is not a cop out)! I will at the moment conceed that I don't have this information readily available. What I will say is that their SOP, as I have seen it somewhere but can't seem to find it in a quick search, states something to the effect that they will objectivly pursure all areas of an investigation.
"This nonsense is based on the testimony of ONE worker, whom I believe was trying to promote a book at the time. It has never been confirmed, and I would ask you to at the very least provide multiple reliable witnesses backing up this claim by a single person before I would take it very seriously."
No it is NOT ONE worker! See this is the type of thing that PREVENTS whistleblowers from stepping up to the plate. They speak out and everyone ignores them or riddicules them, so they put it in print and now it's just to sell books.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/black_box.html
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Honorary firefighter Mike Bellone claims he was approached by unknown bureau agents a short time after he and his partner, Nicholas DeMasi, a retired New York firefighter, found three of the four “black boxes” among the WTC rubble before January 2002."
"What does NIST have to do with the FDRs? What does a "Building Performance Study" have to do with Flight Data Recorders, and their possible discrepencies...I am calling this one irrelivent."
Sorry, that should be NTSB!
"To the BUSH admin, the causative agent of the attacks, as it was and is to most americans, was known...Al-Qaeda."
No! That is what the Admin put out as it being, not Americans. Don't you find it Odd that only hours after the attack they had all pictures of these "hijackers" and other specific information??? Does it not usually take a little time to actually investigate something to come up with information like this, unless you had it already and were just waiting to show it.
"they did not refuse the FBI to investigate the attacks. They did not refuse FEMA. Beyond that, I would guess politics and cheapness would be factors in why they resisted an investigation into something that to them, had an obvious cause. I, however, am not a spokesperson for the BUSH admin."
OK, they did not refuse them but they sure made it as difficult as possible (same difference). Let's evaluate this...... $40 Million for a BJ, but only initially a $160K for an investigation into the worst attack on US soil. No real INVESTIGATORS, and no real access to anything that would help them do their job, NO subpeana power, No real way to get information but to ask nicely. Eventually the money was increased to, I believe, $16 Million. WOW! We spend more in 30 minutes in Iraq then that, but we can't invest into really finding out what happened by having QUALIFIED people investigating this rather than the people they put in charge called the 911 Commission.
" REMOVEBUSH, please address my points as you said you would 4-5 pagesof thread ago. Thanks."
Please state them again! If I did not answer them, I will answer them. Otherwise I will state that I have addressed them.
