How Loony are the Loons?

RemoveBush said:
" So why not answer the two ridiculously easy questions I posed here? As far as I can tell, each is stated clearly and contains all the information you need to solve it."

Probably because I have been posting replies as I go..... You see I follow the posts and answer them in sequence, since it is page 13 and it is now at page 16 you can see I have a lot more to answer to as well.

Since I don't have my scientific calculator, I will answer the first one without any problems because a generic calculator will sufice for that.

"1. Somewhere above, you mentioned a DAC. Okay, assume that this DAC has a quantization step of 35 uV, that is, 1 LSB = 35 uV. Assume 16-bit linear two's-complement encoding. What are the positive and negative full-scale output voltages of this DAC?"

This is rather easy.....

Considering that each step is 35uV in value, give or take because of quantization errors, that means that the highest digital value for the positive swing is: 7FFFh since the MSB is used as the SIGN bit this is the maximum positive bit count available with a bi-polar DAC! The negative swing is: 8000h

Therefore, given that each step is 35uV, and the maximum digital count for the positive swing is 7FFF we take and multiply 32767 by 35uV and get 1.146845V. For the negative side we take 8000 and multiply it by 32768 by 35uV and we get 1.14688V

As you will agree, the other question you asked is a little more involved and requires more computing power. I am at home and my calculator, hp48, is at work where I use it everyday.

"I'm going to head out to the Sepulveda Basin Recreational Area to watch the waterfowl; I should be back in about 3-4 hours."
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Why do I get the feeling that you are just a prankster posting ridiculous things just to rile up a few people? If you are not, you may be the most unintelligent CT ever encountered on this forum.
 
Gravy said:
THAT'S THE WHOLE POINT! There was far more concrete by weight in the towers than drywall. But drywall makes up a greater percentage of the dust.

Now what does that tell you, RemoveBush?

That's my last reply until you learn to use the quote button, you inconsiderate person.
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I know the feeling Gravy, it's so hard to hold back.
 
Redtail said:
FSU has won the Emerald Bowl!!!! Glazed nuts for every one!!!!!:Banane35:
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Yepper. Congrats, although I was pulling for the Bruins. They seemed to have the game in hand - but didn't really want it. Well, at least they beat the Trojans and knocked USC out of the title game.

GO
BUCKEYES!
 
RemoveBush said:
"Arkan_Wolfshade We can see that the towers took somewhere between 115.4% to 175.8% free-fall time to complete collapsing. Personally, I do not consider 15.4%-75.8% margin of difference to qualify as being labeled "near"."

Then prove that other buildings have fallen WITHIN less than 15% of "near free fall speed". This percentage is acceptable to me, I live in a reality world where "near" has an acceptable variation and it is not an Absolute!

Though I have not timed other demolitions, perhaps this is something I will do. However, even with explosives I will bet that other implosions did not fall at the calculated values of a VACUUM!

" If you feel this is insufficient to explain the damage seen, please provide your maths showing why."

I don't dispute the outer structural damage and the internal damage stated by NIST.

"Let me put it another way. In the EPA's sample, drywall dust accounted for more than ~15% more of the outdoor sample than concrete; and account for more than ~46% more of the indoor sample.
The bulk of the cloud seen from the collapse of the towers is drywall dust not concrete dust."

Actually, that would be incorrect if you really look at it! Since the floors were CONCRETE, and the walls seperating the offices were Drywall, the ratio between the two would most likely be more CONCRETE since it is the supporting substance of the floor! Yes there would be drywall in the debris, but what was there more of drywall or concrete?

The floor can be seen here:
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/towers/docs/site1099.jpg

So the ABSENSE of a large portion of this concrete being intact is problematic for the OT. There are rescue workers stating, that the largest part found is a 1" piece of a phone. That much concrete would be in large chunks piled up at the site. Does this look like a large pile of concrete????
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/trouble/20_cushman.jpg

Or maybe this:
http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b108/janedoe444/trouble/19_flattened.jpg

Please show me where the massive concrete is for this building? Since the floors were concrete surely there would be signs of them laying around, right? Where are they?

Perhaps this statement, which I have not verified, but if true does show more evidence to implosion.

"“Loose Change, Final Cut” has a very informative, recorded
statement by a man who was trapped at floor 8 in WTC 7 due to
an explosion below him, he states for the record. Firefighters
were able to get him and a companion out of the building before
its complete collapse. Such an explosion would weaken the
structure below, as is commonly done in controlled demolitions."
http://www.journalof911studies.com/JonesAnswersQuestionsWorldTradeCenter.pdf

This has been one of my questions about the NIST report which everyone states has been answered:

"The NIST final report only takes us to the
point where the Tower is “poised to
collapse.” ...(NIST, 2005, p. 142; emphasis
added.)”"

This supports what I have been stating and so does the calculation provided in the document:

"Momentum Transfer Analysis of the Collapse
of the Upper Storeys of WTC 1
by Gordon Ross
• “The analysis shows that despite the
assumptions made in favour of collapse
continuation, vertical movement of the falling
section would be arrested prior to
completion of the 3% shortening phase of
the impacted columns…
• “A collapse driven only by gravity would
not continue to progress beyond that point.”"

"No “stacked-up” floors in either Tower (left).
And where did the core columns go?
(How to explain without explosives?)"

See pg 25 for picture of MISSING core!

"“The focus of the Investigation was on the sequence of
events from the instant of aircraft impact to the initiation
of collapse for each tower. For brevity in this report, this
sequence is referred to as the "probable collapse
sequence," although it does not actually include the
structural behavior of the tower after the conditions
for collapse initiation were reached...” (NIST, 2005, p.
80, fn. 12; emphasis added.)
• Again, on page 142, NIST admits that their computer
simulation only proceeds until the building is “poised for
collapse”, thus ignoring any data from that time on.
• “The results were a simulation of the structural
deterioration of each tower from the time of aircraft
impact to the time at which the building became
unstable, i.e., was poised for collapse. ...(NIST, 2005,
p. 142; emphasis added.)”"

"“World Trade Center disaster investigators [at NIST] are refusing to show
computer visualizations of the collapse of the Twin Towers despite calls
from leading structural and fire engineers, NCE has learned."

"Experiments: Models of WTC floor assemblies, subjected
to intense fires, did not melt and did not collapse!
• Quoting from the final NIST report:
• “NIST contracted with Underwriters Laboratories,
Inc. to conduct tests to obtain information on the fire
endurance of trusses like those in the WTC towers….
• “All four test specimens sustained the maximum
design load for approximately 2 hours without
collapsing…
• “The results established that this type of assembly
was capable of sustaining a large gravity load,
without collapsing, for a substantial period of time
relative to the duration of the fires in any given
location on September 11.” (NIST, 2005, p. 141;
emphasis added.)"
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"Arkan_Wolfshade мы можем увидеть что башни приняли где-то между временем от 115.4% до 175.8% free-fall завершить рушиться. Лично, я не учитываю, что 15.4%-75.8% допустимым пределом разницы квалифицируют как обозначаемо "около"." После этого докажите что другие здания падали В ПРЕДЕЛАХ меньш чем 15% из "почти свободно скорость падения". Этот процент приемлемо к мне, я живу в мире реальности где "около" имеет приемлемо изменение и не будет абсолютом! Хотя я не приурочивал другие подрывания, возможно это что-то, котор я сделаю. Однако, ровно с взрывчатками я держу пари что другие имплозии не понизились на вычисленные значения ВАКУУМА! "если вы чувствуете, то это недостаточно для того чтобы объяснить увиденное повреждение, пожалуйста обеспечивает ваши математики показывая почему." Я не оспариваю наружное структурно повреждение и внутренне повреждение заявленные NIST. "препятствуйте мне положить его другая дорога. В образце EPA's, пыль drywall учла для больше чем ~15% больше из напольного образца чем бетон; и определите больше чем ~46% больше из indoor образца. Большим частью облака увиденного от сброса давления башен будет пыль пыли drywall конкретная." Фактическ, то было бы неправильно если вы реально смотрите их! В виду того что пола были КОНКРЕТНЫ, и стены seperating офисы были Drywall, коэффициент между 2 most likely был бы более КОНКРЕТЕН в виду того что это будет поддерживая веществом пола! Да было бы drywall в твердых частицах, но было там больше из drywall или бетона? Пол можно увидеть здесь: http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/to... s/site1099.jpg Так ABSENSE большой части этого бетона неповреждено проблемно для OT. Будут работники спасения заявляя, то самая большая, котор найденная часть будет часть 1"telefona. Что очень конкретно находил в больших ломтях сложило вверх на месте. Делает этот взгляд как большая куча бетона???? http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1... 20_cushman.jpg Или возможно это: http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b1... _flattened.jpg Пожалуйста покажите мне где массивнейший бетон для этого здания? В виду того что пола были конкретны уверенно там были бы знаками их кладя вокруг, справедливо? Где они? Возможно это заявление, которое я не проверял, но если поистине показывает больше доказательства к имплозии. "" свободное изменение, отрезанные выпускные экзамены "имеет очень информативное, записанное заявление человеком который был поглощен на поле 8 в WTC 7 должном к взрыву под им, он заявляет for the record. Firefighters могли получить его и товарища из здания перед своим вполне сбросом давления. Такой взрыв ослабел бы структура ниже, как общ делает в controlled подрываниях." http://www.journalof911studies.com/J... radeCenter.pdf Это одним из моих вопросов о отчете о nist каждое заявляет было отвечено: "финальный рапорт nist только принимает нас к пункту где башня" poised для того чтобы обрушиться." ... (nist, 2005, P 142; добавленное внимание.)"" Это поддерживает я заявлял и поэтому делает вычисление обеспеченное в документе: "анализ перехода момента сброса давления верхних storeys WTC 1 Гордон Росс? "анализ показывает что несмотря на предположения сделанные in favour of продолжение сброса давления, арестовало вертикальное движение падая раздела до завершения 3% сокращая участка плотно сжатых колонок...? "сброс давления управляемый только силой тяжести не продолжался бы развить за тем пунктом." " "не" ne штабелировал-вверх "пола в любой башне (налево). И куда колонки сердечника пошли? (как объяснить без взрывчаток?)" См. страницу 25 для изображения ПРОПАВШЕГО сердечника! "" фокус исследования находился на последовательности случаев от the instant удара самолета к началу сброса давления для каждой башни. Для сокращенности в этом рапорте, эта последовательность названа "вероятная последовательность сброса давления," хотя она фактическ не вклюает структурно поведение башни после того как достиглись условия для начала сброса давления... " (nist, 2005, P 80, fn. 12; добавленное внимание.) ? Опять, на страница 142, nist впускает что их имитация компьютера только продолжает до тех пор пока здание "poised для сброса давления", таким образом игнорирующ любые данные от того времени дальше? "результатами была имитация структурно ухудшения качества каждой башни from the time of удар самолета к времени на здание стало неустойчивым, т.е., poised для сброса давления. ... (nist, 2005, P 142; добавленное внимание.)"" "" исследователи бедствия центра международной торговли [ на nist ] отказывают показать визуализирования компьютера сброса давления твиновских башен несмотря на звоноки от ведения структурно и горят инженеров, NCE учили." "эксперименты: Модели агрегатов пола WTC, котор подвергли к интенсивным пожарам, не расплавили и не обрушились! ? Закавычить от окончательного отчета о nist: ? "nist заключил контракт с Страховщиками Лабораториями, Inc. для того чтобы дирижировать испытания для того чтобы получить информацию на выносливости пожара ферменной конструкции как те в WTC возвышается....? "все 4 образца испытания вытерпели максимальную нагрузку конструкции на приблизительно 2 часа без рушиться...? "результаты установили что этот тип агрегата был способен терпеть большую нагрузку силы тяжести, без рушиться, на существенное периодо времени по отношению к продолжительности пожаров в любом, котор дали положении на 11 -го сентября." (nist, 2005, P 141; добавленное внимание.)"
 
The Troofer Shuffle

They call me RemoveBush, and I like to dance
Telling troofer lies is like making romance
We've had this goal, since the 9/11 attacks
To make the USA a fantasy land
But we're not doing this to help victims needy
The troofers are doing this because we're greedy
We are the troofers shufflin' crew
Telling lies, telling them to you
We're just here, trolling for trouble
We're just here to do the Troofer Shuffle
 
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Quad4_72 said:
Why do I get the feeling that you are just a prankster posting ridiculous things just to rile up a few people? If you are not, you may be the most unintelligent CT ever encountered on this forum.
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The first sentence, Quad. You nailed it. This person is not for real. But, he does serve a purpose. An example of what misguided CTers can expect should they venture into JREF Country.
 
"Who says there were no terrorists? Putting words into ones mouth again?? First! A 757/767 are the first planes that can have their systems reconfigured to be controlled by another source. Another odity that ALL of the planes on this day were in fact a 757 or 767!"

So the gumberement decided to use terrorist patsies AND remote control guidance? Interesting theory to say the least.

And can I get a source for this comment: "A 757/767 are the first planes that can have their systems reconfigured to be controlled by another source"
 
Gravy said:
Why, when the loonspotting is so good right here?
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And why do the resident tinhatters and their :socks: always feel the need to announce their departure every time they purport to leave for an hour or so?
 
DavidJames said:
I hope you don't mind, I removed the garish details of you post. ;)

I remember when winning a bowl game used to mean something. Now they are a joke.
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No prob I just wanted a woo moment.:D

I agree with the Bowls though. Then a years supply of "Honey glazed almonds deep fried in fat back" for the team is pretty good.:p
 
WildCat said:
They call me RemoveBush, and I like to dance
Telling troofer lies is like making romance
We've had this goal, since the 9/11 attacks
To make the USA a fantasy land
But we're not doing this to help victims needy
The troofers are doing this because we're greedy
We are the troofers shufflin' crew
Telling lies, telling them to you
We're just here, trolling for trouble
We're just here to do the Troofer Shuffle
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Rule 8! Now that song is stuck in my head.:mad:
 
WildCat said:
They call me RemoveBush, and I like to dance
Telling troofer lies is like making romance
We've had this goal, since the 9/11 attacks
To make the USA a fantasy land
But we're not doing this to help victims needy
The troofers are doing this because we're greedy
We are the troofers shufflin' crew
Telling lies, telling them to you
We're just here, trolling for trouble
We're just here to do the Troofer Shuffle
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ConspiRaider said:
The first sentence, Quad. You nailed it. This person is not for real. But, he does serve a purpose. An example of what misguided CTers can expect should they venture into JREF Country.
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Yeah I was afraid of that. Well, I guess the only option now is to go on talking about nonsense with everyone else. UK football rocks! Yeah I know they suck, leave me alone. Just wait till next year though...they will be off of their punishment period which means all of the scholarships will be back...
 
WildCat said:
They call me RemoveBush, and I like to dance
Telling troofer lies is like making romance
We've had this goal, since the 9/11 attacks
To make the USA a fantasy land
But we're not doing this to help victims needy
The troofers are doing this because we're greedy
We are the troofers shufflin' crew
Telling lies, telling them to you
We're just here, trolling for trouble
We're just here to do the Troofer Shuffle
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Excellent, Wildcat, and it would be a terrific addition to this thread:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=63415

ETA: here's the link directly to the finished product as a result of the combined efforts of Mercutio, qarnos, and greyleonard if you haven't heard it - it's excellent!


http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2058747&postcount=186

The lyrics are in the opening post here:

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1904402&postcount=1

And here's the direct link to qarnos' song "Killtown, Leave That Poor Woman Alone" from the same thread.

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2084871&postcount=203

:)
 
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LashL said:
And why do the resident tinhatters and their :socks: always feel the need to announce their departure every time they purport to leave for an hour or so?
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I think it was ktesibios who said he was leaving. If :socks:boy would learn to use the quote function, we wouldn't be getting people's quotes confused(Horatius confused one of my posts with :socks: and I'm battling an acute depression because of it)

RemoveBush, your other sock made 700+ posts using the quote function, why can't you? You've even copy/pasted peoples posts, including the link, in your replies to avoid using the quote button, why?
 
"T.A.M. - I do not know the exact qualification of the people posting here. However, many of them do have appropriate qualifications, like yourself. We have several engineers that post here, as well as architects, steel workers, etc...

Most people here rely on EXPERT OPINION and TESTIMONY when the issue is beyond their level of education. I would think given your expertese is Electronics, and that you have a Bachelors (not to knock it, but a PhD in Structural Engineering would be much more qualified than you...and even more than me), that there are many, many issues where you are qualified only in the area of mathematics to examine."

As do I, but if you will notice through the posts most of these so called experts are merely attacking rather than debating. This is why I doubt their qualifications if the SIMPLE notion that there must be EVIDENCE to come to a conclusion, not beliefe or speculation. As a doctor, you should understand that by the fact that you probably take blood samples to diagnose someone. You don't simply look at them and determine that they suffer from AIDS without any further testing? Same points I am making here with many of these so called experts. They consider simply glosing over steel beams is adequate for a so called analysis.

"Try not to judge, but rather, ask someone what their qualifications are. R. Mackey, for example is an engineer with NASA, and he post here frequently."

Fair enough, provided they follow the same. This is a 2 way street here and being insulted because I THINK for myself is getting old!

"1. You do realize you are accusing hundreds of your fellow engineers of allowing people to get away with murder simply to save their jobs. Not directly, but indirectly this is what you are saying."

You do realize that this sort of thing has been taking place and is taking place? Siebel Edmonds, an FBI translater is the MOST gagged person in HISTORY. The rescue people were not allowed to talk, via a gag order, and yet they still kept quiet. You really think that someone is going to speak out if their entire life is going to be destroyed? Think about that! If your going to be ridiculed and assaulted with names and other attacks, are you going to step up to the plate and throw your cushy job down the tubes so your family can starve?

"2. If you look at the MANDATE given to NIST, they in no way violated their SOP. Their report is a "BUILDING PERFORMANCE STUDY", not an FBI CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION."

Actually they did. Their SOP states that they will investigate ALL possible reasons for something happening. This violates their SOP. This would be like you taking your oath to help someone, and then because you believe that someone is going to die anyway you don't help them.

"3. Has one single scientist or engineer stated in anyway that they were prevented from investigating any aspect of the collapse initiation or building performance, and if so, by whom?"

Don't know! Have not heard, but would we? Everytime a whistleblower steps up to the plate, they are crusified! Seibel Edmonds, Mr. Tice, etc. etc. etc.

"4. Your comment on SOP is a little generic. For example as a Doctor, I have participated in drug trials. Now in these trials their are certain things that are looked at, examined, studied, and other aspects that are not. Either they are of no consequence, or not of concern to those performing the study. If NIST was not charged with looking into certain aspects of the collapse, then they had no need to, and in my opinion did not breech any SOP."

I guess that is a differnce of oppinion! If they are scientists, they have a duty to investigate ALL possibilites. That's like a part coming back to me for failure to deploy an airbag, and I simply rule out defects in the part and concentrate on the surrounding components for the board the part is on.

"Based on 10,000 pages of data collection and analysis, the structural engineers of NIST feel the above statement reflects the MOST LIKELY cause of collapse. DO YOU HAVE ANY EVIDENCE THAT THIS IS INCORRECT, or do you have ANY EVIDENCE OF ANOTHER PLAUSIBLE THEORY, to the extent that it should be considered the MOST LIKELY cause, instead of the one NIST has proposed?"

Actually I just posted a bunch of information regarding this, but here is one link that is very good, and I am not saying everything is wrong.

http://www.journalof911studies.com/JonesAnswersQuestionsWorldTradeCenter.pdf

"If there was proof of molten IRON or STEEL, than I would simply say that temperatures of the fires and embers underneath the debris would have to be of sufficient temperature to maintain such a state. Could this have occured in the collapse, I think so, via alternate fuel sources within the building and with the added heat derrived from the friction of the building collapse."

Really? May I ask you then how it ended up in the basement when the fires were at or near the top of the buildings??? How did they penetrate all that debris to create a furnace?

"However, there is no proof, direct or indirect, of molten IRON or STEEL."

Really again? How about this:
See page 80! This is UNDISPUTABLE evidence of molten metal! You can clearly see the molten metal. Also it was stated, in the same document, that the shoes of the workers would wear out quickly (I think they said in a few days) because of the heat under their feet.

"There is a decent amount of WITNESS TESTIMONY of molten METAL of some form. That is all I have seen. Color temperature charts mean little, when the molten metals are highly contaminated (not just a handful of wood chunks) with hydrocarbon products from the building, so bringing up the color of the molten METAL really has little validity here. I have seen the video and photos, and they prove nothing beyond possible molten METAL of unknown consistency."

Correct, but this points to something BELOW occuring rather than above. This metal should have been analyzed, which is part of my arguement that a complete investigation has been performed. No one determined what that metal was or what it could have been. Don't you think that if the local authorities botched a homicide by not trying to obtain DNA, fingerprints, or any of the other things they would need for an investigation that they would be laughed out of court when trying to pin it on a person 3,000 miles away who had an alibi. Without covering ALL the areas, whether it leads to anything or not, is PROPER investigative work.

"I have seen the interview with the SINGLE firefighter who stated they found nothing bigger that a few inches, no phones, no computers.

Here is what I will say about that:

1. I wouldn' t expect to find a whole lot of debris in big chunks, given the distance things fell, and the weight that came atop most of the debris."

This is true to a large extent, however there would be debris still from the building recognizable. The force to keep the building going was insufficient without help. The Walls, as pointed out I think here, would have ADDED to the resistence which is why in a normal implosion they remove the drywal. So if they have to remove them in a normal implosion, what makes people think that without explosives the building would still maintain enough energy to continue when it has to destroy desks, and other bulky items? I know that desks are not enough to stop it, but it is enough with all the other items to take energy away without it receiving a boost from the removal of the structure.

"2. I doubt he had gone through ALL the debris, and was likely only speaking of what he himself saw, or did not see."

Probably true, but see my comment for item 1.

"3. 1" Phone pieces, chunks of concrete, are all much bigger than the micronized (50-60 microns I think some of the truther researchers claim) concrete they say was all was left of the WTC concrete."

That is true.... Just look through the link I provided. Please tell me where is the concrete? Though the building was mostly AIR, the floors were not! They were made of concrete, and that means that a large portion of that building was concrete.

"4. You have not provided me with any proof that the "dust" was micronized concrete, as opposed to drywall."

See above....

Finally, a person who debates what a pleasent, but surprising, pleasure.

I am going to bed and will pick up from this post, though I can see it will be much further than 16 when I get back so my replies will be lagging as I don't jump around! I believe in following the information so I answer as they come.

ciao
 
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