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How long will it last?

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With time it seems most conspiracy theories fade to the periphery. Most never totally go away, but they no longer really matter except to the hardcore CTers. A lot of people may say they think that someone else shot JFK, but they don't get their panties in a twist over it.

I'm beginning to think that because of the effect 9/11 had on the national psyche and the internet that the 9/11 conspiracy will be around for a long, long time.

And that just depresses the hell out of me, thinking that we will be dealing with the same stupid bs, over and over again.

I also think that as time goes on the conspiracy will get wider and weirder until we find out that Tom Cruise and the Scientologists did the whole thing so that Tom could mate with Katie and produce the genetically perfect future leader of the world.
 
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i think it will lose alot of steam when bush is out of office, the whole "bush did it so he could be a dictator" theory will fall flat on its face
 
Does anybody know what percentage of Americians still believe the JFK conspiracy??? I would bet pretty high like 80% at least. I believed it, or at least was suspicious of the lone gunamn, until a few short years ago...

People don't run into skeptics daily too much....
 
i think it will lose alot of steam when bush is out of office, the whole "bush did it so he could be a dictator" theory will fall flat on its face

What happens if brother Jeb (the "smart" one) gets elected? I doubt it will happen, but that would only add fuel to the fire.
 
i think it will lose alot of steam when bush is out of office, the whole "bush did it so he could be a dictator" theory will fall flat on its face
The CT gene is neither left nor right, Democrat nor Republican. Rest assured those that followed the Clinton murders CT will leap right on the 9/11 bandwagon should a Democrat gain the oval office. Should that Democrat be Hillary, the 9/11 movement will be invigorated with new "red" blood.
 
Does anybody know what percentage of Americians still believe the JFK conspiracy??? I would bet pretty high like 80% at least. I believed it, or at least was suspicious of the lone gunamn, until a few short years ago...

People don't run into skeptics daily too much....

This is from 1998:
Only one in 10 Americans believes that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. More than seven times as many think Oswald did not act alone.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/1998/11/20/opinion/main23166.shtml
 
With time it seems most conspiracy theories fade to the periphery. Most never totally go away, but they no longer really matter except to the hardcore CTers. A lot of people may say they think that someone else shot JFK, but they don't get their panties in a twist over it.

I'm beginning to think that because of the effect 9/11 had on the national psyche and the internet that the 9/11 conspiracy will be around for a long, long time.

And that just depresses the hell out of me, thinking that we will be dealing with the same stupid bs, over and over again.

I also think that as time goes on the conspiracy will get wider and weirder until we find out that Tom Cruise and the Scientologists did the whole thing so that Tom could mate with Katie and produce the genetically perfect future leader of the world.

I think within a few months the whole 9/11 CT thing will have lost its steam and settle down to a run-of-the-mill conspiracy theory with a few die-hard enthusiasts. But the bulk of the kids will eventually lose interest and go off to find something else to entertain themselves.
 
Does anybody know what percentage of Americians still believe the JFK conspiracy??? I would bet pretty high like 80% at least. I believed it, or at least was suspicious of the lone gunamn, until a few short years ago...

People don't run into skeptics daily too much....
IIRC correctly that zogby poll that showed 36% "support" for 9/11 CTs showed 40% for kennedy CTs

What happens if brother Jeb (the "smart" one) gets elected? I doubt it will happen, but that would only add fuel to the fire.
i doubt that as well, given bush's current approval rating im sure we will see a democrat in office next

The CT gene is neither left nor right, Democrat nor Republican.
the diehard CTers certainly, but theyll never die no matter what, i get the feeling your "average" 9/11 CTers thinks bush/neocons did it to gain control of the US
 
It's going to last until Bush finally admits that he was behind it all.
 
i get the feeling your "average" 9/11 CTers thinks bush/neocons did it to gain control of the US
I agree with you. What I'm saying is if a Dem become president, the "red" CTist will join the CT pointing out how the plan was developed by Clinton and kept secret from the Bush people. The "blue" CTist will either fall away or (more likely) nod knowingly and not skip a beat. Here are a couple of things you will see...

Tenent (sp?) remained in his CIA job and will be tabbed as the leader.
The Cruise missle that Clinton used to try and hit OBL was a false flag op to set up OBL.
Hillary, in her role as Senator helped with the cover.

Trust me, if Hillary is president, she will tabbed as the NWO leader, devil incarnate and evil 9/11 witch queen.

Anyone else?

edit to add - IMO, people are CTist first. Which CT they adopt may reflect their politics.
 
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I think we've seen the peak. The interest level will slide slowly till Bush is out of office, then faster till it's down to the hard-core kooks. There might be a spike of interest around the 10th anniversary, but that'll fade quickly too.

I think you're right. I've noticed that at the DU dungeon where there used to be hundreds and hundreds of posts per day, it seems to be down to a dozen or so, and they are almost exclusively by a small group of fewer than 10 hard core tinhatters.
 
Why don't we ask the people who post here without producing a shred of support for their claims, how long they intend to keep doing so?

AttentionSeeker1234?
geggy?
einsteen?
Christophera?
Submersible?
Killtown?
kc440?

You tell us, so we know how much popcorn and antacid to buy.
 
I tend to agree with jhunter, Lash, Stellafane et. al., in that the 9-11 Truth movement has seen it's peak, such as it was, and will now begin to recede.

It started out in the quite nooks and crevices, then got more attention with the publishing of several books and the appearance of films (i.e., Loose Change) which took on the facade of a serious movement.

Trouble was, it was only a facade, and when the rebuttal came, from small (Gravy, MarkyX, and all the others here) and Large (Popular Science and the Controlled Demolition industry), with real math and science, well, the Emporer quickly was found to be bare-@ssed nekkid.

And now they have been shuttled to the area of ridicule (South Park) and laughter, and the hill will be down from now outward, unless they can show something more in terms of evidence than henceforth.

IMHO as always.
 
The "truth" movement is actually, for lack of a better word, "adapting". You look at it a year ago, when all these kooky theories were reaching their peak, with LC becoming the phenom it became, and then the debunkers tore 80% of the theories all to hell. Now you see when the majority of them post, it is about different issues, more leaning to LIHOP, less to MIHOP. The pakistani issues, the iraq connection, etc..

As well, you notice, now with 2008 fastly approaching, the LCers are becoming more in line with Alex Jones non-partisan approach...DEMS and REPS are all bad. Notice for LC:FC intro, the topics make this clear...LC will become the hip-hop version of the Alex Jones Mantra.

When the DEMS take over in 2008, the MIHOP stuff will fade, and even some of the LIHOP stuff. What will remain is an anti NWO movement that will site 9/11 as the catalyst event.

TAM
 
What I'm saying is if a Dem become president, the "red" CTist will join the CT pointing out how the plan was developed by Clinton and kept secret from the Bush people. The "blue" CTist will either fall away or (more likely) nod knowingly and not skip a beat.
That will happen for some, but I really don't think it's that simple.


Longevity Factor One: The "Consequences" of 9/11

It seems from my unscientific examination that 9/11 conspiracism has grown because of general dissatisfaction with BushCo. At the heart of this is the Iraq War.

A lot of the theories blame the "conspiracy" for engineering an excuse to invade Iraq, so as long as that war and occupation continue, I think the "9/11 conspiracy as source of our troubles" meme will continue to be highlighted. If the war had gone as well as the White House hoped, I think there would be a lot less 9/11 conspiracism now. That not being the case, I think a lot of this talk will persist as long as the U.S. stays there. So, it looks like it's here to stay for several years, regardless of who the next President is.


Longevity Factor Two: Calls for a New Investigation

Also, if the next President is a Democrat, and especially if the Dems get either house in Congress, I would expect the 9/11 Truthers to actually get louder. That's because many of them (the liberal faction) will see an opportunity for another investigation.

But this won't last long, for two reasons. First, there probably won't be a new investigation. Or if there is, it won't produce the conclusions the "truthers" want. Second and meanwhile, the ones appealing to Washington will have to fight the hardcore believers on their flank. These harder core conspiracists (which includes the right-wing Christian Patriot faction) just "know" that any new official investigation will be corrupt and that the Democrats are NWO puppets, etcetera. This internal division and external lack of satisfaction will divide the "movement". Most of the liberals will go home. This leaves the hard core.


Longevity Factor Three: Adaptable Mythology

9/11 conspiracism will be kept alive in the mythology of the believers in the Grand-Conspiracy-of-History.

The hardcore believers think that there is no difference between Republicans and Democrats because (as they see it) both major parties are fronts for the evil cabal of [insert bogeymen here] who really run the show. This is, of course, never supported with real social science.

While I must say that I do think that the two main parties have very similar assumptions and policies (especially when compared to the European political spectrum), I don't see it the same way as the conspiracists do. They just see everyone as directly-controlled puppets, ignoring genuine research in the fields of political science, sociology, history, and economics.

It won't matter to these people who is in office. In fact, if it's a Democrat, that will not faze the right-wing conspiracist faction, it will embolden it. They milked Clinton conspiracy theories for eight years, they'll do it again, especially if it's "Hitlery" in office.

That said, 9/11 will diminish as a central focus. It will be absorbed as another chapter in the NWO/Illuminati/Freemason/Jew master plan, rather than THE. Most. Important. Event. in. the. History. of. the. World. Evahr. that it is portrayed as now.

And it will really lose that status when a new Most Important Event in the History of the World Evahr hits us, whatever that may be. Roll on, conspiracy industry money machine, roll on.
 
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I think it went over the top the past months and is dying down at the moment.
As well, you notice, now with 2008 fastly approaching, the LCers are becoming more in line with Alex Jones non-partisan approach...DEMS and REPS are all bad. Notice for LC:FC intro, the topics make this clear...LC will become the hip-hop version of the Alex Jones Mantra.
If they are really going to go down the Alex Jones route, I think even all the idiots at youtube and google video are going to think they're crazy. Plus everyone has seen it by now so I don't think people are interested in a new version. The Loose Change boys better hope for a new terrorist attack or they're history.
 
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That will happen for some, but I really don't think it's that simple.
I don't think things are that simple either, I just don't like to type a lot and therefore simplify things :D
Longevity Factor Two: Calls for a New Investigation

Barring any new information, I would hope a new investigation would not be called for by a new president or congress.
Longevity Factor Three: Adaptable Mythology
I have no issues with your comments.

I saved your first for last...

Longevity Factor One: The "Consequences" of 9/11
It seems from my unscientific examination that 9/11 conspiracism has grown because of general dissatisfaction with BushCo. At the heart of this is the Iraq War.

A lot of the theories blame the "conspiracy" for engineering an excuse to invade Iraq, so as long as that war and occupation continue, I think the "9/11 conspiracy as source of our troubles" meme will continue to be highlighted. If the war had gone as well as the White House hoped, I think there would be a lot less 9/11 conspiracism now. That not being the case, I think a lot of this talk will persist as long as the U.S. stays there. So, it looks like it's here to stay for several years, regardless of who the next President is.
Again, my central point is the CT gene is stronger then the political gene. The political gene, however is one determining factor in which CT gets their attention. In this case, I agree with you that those CTist who also are politically left of center (and/or have the feelings you state) make up a sizeable chunk of the movement. My point is that should a "regime change" occur in November, that group will be, at least partially, supplanted by right of center CTists, most especially if Hillary gets the job.

Disclaimer: I am not a psychologist, psychiatrist sociologist, or PHD studying the human psyche, nor have I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express lately. :)
 
Does anybody know what percentage of Americians still believe the JFK conspiracy??? I would bet pretty high like 80% at least. I believed it, or at least was suspicious of the lone gunamn, until a few short years ago...

People don't run into skeptics daily too much....
I thought they were all killed by the CIA, Mob, Anti Castro Cubans and the military industrial complex.
 

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