How is foreknowledge compatible with MIHOP?

[aggle-rithm]

how did the evildoers figure out that the collapse was necessary to the emotional response? did they conduct focus groups?

Never underestimate the al Qaeda marketing machine.

 

[The Silver Shadow]

Never underestimate the al Qaeda marketing machine.

Gotta love that. You have a person come into the room with a focus group going "Hello, I represent Al-Qaeda, a fundamentalist terrorist group and we'd like to ask you a few questions..."

Kind of funny, but at the same time, makes you wonder where the truthers got their kool-aid from!

 

[Dr Adequate]

That's a good question.

The answer is that the spectacular, much-replayed collapse of the towers were far more shocking than the mere notion of many dead people.

The collapse of the towers was judged to create the maximum damage to peoples' sense of terra firma, or security, far more than just reports of dead people in charred towers.

It was the much-replayed collapse of the towers that created the emotional spike necessary to manufacture consent to invade other countries.

Of course, if the towers had stayed up, you'd imagine that that was what TEH CONSPIRACYS!!! judged to cause the most insecurity ... the charred hulks looming on the skyline, smouldering for days as the firefighters retrieved the charred bodies ... and you'd be asking how they stayed up when everyone knows that fire melts steel, and how come fire destroyed the steel frame of the Windsor Building but left the Twin Towers standing ...

There's nothing you can't make suspicious so long as you're free to imagine what the conspirators wanted to happen. 'Cos then all you have to do is imagine that they wanted exactly what did happen to happen, and then everything fits the conspiracy theory.

This is what makes them so frickin' pointless.

 

[aggle-rithm]

They're captious.

I just learned that word yesterday while reading the dictionary. I foresee many opportunities to use it in conversations with and about troothers .

New word.

Learning are fun!

 

[aggle-rithm]

There's nothing you can't make suspicious so long as you're free to imagine what the conspirators wanted to happen. 'Cos then all you have to do is imagine that they wanted exactly what did happen to happen, and then everything fits the conspiracy theory.

Right...like I've always wondered how those "inexperienced" pilots managed to hit the exact spot where they crashed?

 

[proxywar]

Anybody here ever heard this one before?

"9/11 wasn't simply an inside job, it was an inside-outside job. The intelligence agencies are all really one and the same at the highest levels and have always been in collusion, whether we're talking about the CIA, MI6, Mossad, or the Pakistani ISI. All four played a key role in the September 11th attacks."

 

[cisco]

Anybody here ever heard this one before?

"9/11 wasn't simply an inside job, it was an inside-outside job. The intelligence agencies are all really one and the same at the highest levels and have always been in collusion, whether we're talking about the CIA, MI6, Mossad, or the Pakistani ISI. All four played a key role in the September 11th attacks."

My new favorite is the one I jokingly predicted in post #3 and my wish came true almost instantly in post #7.

New word.

Learning are fun!

I know huh?!

 

[proxywar]

My new favorite is the one I jokingly predicted in post #3 and my wish came true almost instantly in post #7.

Nice prediction.

As for what I posted, when I frist read it, I was thinking oh I get it this is about connecting the dancing israelis and Supposed wiring of money to atta. These toothers are captiously messed up in the head how they try to connect the nonexisting dots. Seems like the MI6 of the UK was just thrown in to make it more sinster.

 

[Tippit]

I think you're missing the point.

If some people, in whatever "compartment" of the government, knew in advance that AQ was going to carry out the 9/11 attack, does that not substantially weaken the MIHOPers claim that AQ did not, in fact, carry out the attack?

That depends on what AQ represents, and who controls it. If AQ is nothing more than a creation of western intelligence, then the idea of whether AQ or some rogue faction of some government agency was responsible becomes moot.

Since the CIA funded the Pakistani Maktab al-Khadamat through the Pakistani ISI, there is some evidence of this. Here is an excerpt from the wiki for Al-Qaeda:

Alleged CIA involvement

Main article: Allegations of CIA assistance to Osama bin Laden

Whether the al-Qaeda attacks are "blowback" from the American CIA's Operation Cyclone to help the Afghan mujahideen is a matter of some debate. Robin Cook, former member of the British House of Commons and Foreign Secretary from 1997-2001, has written that al-Qaeda and Bin Laden were, "a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security agencies" and that the mujahideen that formed al-Qaeda were "originally ... recruited and trained with help from the CIA".[52]

However, CNN journalist Peter Bergen, known for conducting the first television interview with Osama bin Laden in 1997, calls the idea "that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden ... a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. ... Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently. ... The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him."[53] Bergen and others maintain the U.S. aid was given out by the Pakistan government, that it went to Afghan not foreign mujahideen, and that there was no contact between the Afghan Arabs (foreign mujahideen) and the CIA or other American officials, let alone, arming, training, coaching or indoctrination.

 

[Tippit]

But it sure sets Occam spinning in his grave.

Occam's razor requires that all the evidence be accounted for. There is evidence that the CIA has been meddling in the middle east for a long time. They (admittedly) overthrew the Prime Minister of Iran, Mohammed Mosaddeq in 1953, and they (not admittedly) installed dictator Pervez Musharraf of Pakistan, and funded his Inter-Services Intelligence agency, which in turn funded the Maktab al-Khadamat and Mujahideen, eventually becoming what is known as Al-Qaeda today.

 

[gumboot]

So I must ask: How do foreknowledge and MIHOP fit together? The government knew al-Queada was going to attack...but then attacked itself instead?

It goes without saying that if you make something happen, you have advanced knowledge that it is going to happen (unless of course you make it happen spontaneously).

Foreknowledge is not just compatible with MIHOP. It is a requirement of MIHOP.

 

[stateofgrace]

That depends on what AQ represents, and who controls it. If AQ is nothing more than a creation of western intelligence, then the idea of whether AQ or some rogue faction of some government agency was responsible becomes moot.

Since the CIA funded the Pakistani Maktab al-Khadamat through the Pakistani ISI, there is some evidence of this. Here is an excerpt from the wiki for Al-Qaeda:

There is zero evidence that the CIA funded the Afghan Arabs and zero evidence that the CIA funded Bin Laden. There is zero evidence that the CIA control the ideology of Al Qaeda or were in anyway involved in it's evolution.

If you have evidence present it or stop living in the dream world whereby the US via the CIA control everything and everybody.

 

[gumboot]

Since the CIA funded the Pakistani Maktab al-Khadamat through the Pakistani ISI, there is some evidence of this. Here is an excerpt from the wiki for Al-Qaeda:

Maktab al-Khadamat was not Pakistani, and was not funded by the CIA or the ISI.

 

[proxywar]

That depends on what AQ represents, and who controls it. If AQ is nothing more than a creation of western intelligence, then the idea of whether AQ or some rogue faction of some government agency was responsible becomes moot.

Since the CIA funded the Pakistani Maktab al-Khadamat through the Pakistani ISI, there is some evidence of this. Here is an excerpt from the wiki for Al-Qaeda:

My best suggestions for you.
Watch Declassifing the talban, In the foot steps of Osama bin laden, charle wilson's documentary, and read Ghost wars.

 

[Pardalis]

The answer is that the spectacular, much-replayed collapse of the towers were far more shocking than the mere notion of many dead people.

B.S.

The collapse of the towers was judged to create the maximum damage to peoples' sense of terra firma, or security, far more than just reports of dead people in charred towers.

B.S.

It was the much-replayed collapse of the towers that created the emotional spike necessary to manufacture consent to invade other countries.

B.S.

Nice talking to you.