How does the Qur'an stack up to the Bible?

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

You don't have to believe the stories (I don't ) in order to investigate when they originated. And while there's some discussion on the dating of the gospels and Paul's letters, the disagreement is in a couple of decades rather than centuries. AFAIK, there is no controversy at all about the age when Muhamed lived.

If you have an interest in the origins of myths and legends, or biblical scholarship, then I would imagine it would be interesting and worthwhile to be able to date these stories, yes.

I absolutely disagree. First of all, there's little controversy that an actual Nicholas bishop of Myra actually lived in the 4th Century, and is the basis for the Dutch Sinterklaas figure. Secondly, even if they're made-up figures the question where and when they originate is interesting.

Again, if that interests you then that's perfectly fine. But my point was that comparing the age of two works of fiction as if this would add some sort of truth value, or credibility over the other, is ultimately pointless.

 

[Fellow Traveler]

I think what is true of all religions is their inability to control their violent prone followers. If you were to practice Christianity exactly as written you would not burn Old Women at the stake etc.

 

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

I think what is true of all religions is their inability to control their violent prone followers. If you were to practice Christianity exactly as written you would not burn Old Women at the stake etc.

If you practiced Christianity as written, you'd be doing some pretty terrible things. Contradictory things too.

ETA: But that's the big problem - what many Muslims are doing in the name of their faith - regardless of what their magic book says. Which goes back to interpreting these works of fiction in whatever way best suits their cause.

Whether the Quran actually does advocate the killing of 'infidels' or not, I'm sure I could find hundreds of thousands of 'devout' Muslims who says it does.

 

[ddt]

If you have an interest in the origins of myths and legends, or biblical scholarship, then I would imagine it would be interesting and worthwhile to be able to date these stories, yes.

Yes, and I'm not saying anyone not interested should read up to the finer points. But I would have thought the rough century approximations I gave were common knowledge.

Again, if that interests you then that's perfectly fine.

OK, we agree then, and I'm in no way saying you should personally be interested in those questions.

But my point was that comparing the age of two works of fiction as if this would add some sort of truth value, or credibility over the other, is ultimately pointless.

Fair enough, and I think we've been talking at cross-purposes then. I fully agree with you there; age in no way adds or subtracts to the truth value of a story or its credibility.

 

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

Yes, and I'm not saying anyone not interested should read up to the finer points. But I would have thought the rough century approximations I gave were common knowledge.

I'll be perfectly honest, I've never really looked into comparing either religion, mainly due to my attitude towards both, so I've no idea as to dates, etc.

OK, we agree then, and I'm in no way saying you should personally be interested in those questions.





Fair enough, and I think we've been talking at cross-purposes then. I fully agree with you there; age in no way adds or subtracts to the truth value of a story or its credibility.

Might be my fault for not being clear enough in the first place. No harm done!

 

[Wolrab]

Islam does not support things such as rape, incest, or pedophilia or the “murdering of infidels” (infidel, a person who does not believe in religion or who adheres to a religion other than one's own).

Sex with women captured in battle and made slaves isn't rape?
Pedophilia is usually reserved for management, but I'd be willing to wager they didn't ID girls taken in battle.

Not just lies, but seriously disturbing lies.
Of course the other two faiths are no better seeing how they all came from the same myths.

 

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

Sex with women captured in battle and made slaves isn't rape?
Pedophilia is usually reserved for management, but I'd be willing to wager they didn't ID girls taken in battle.

Not just lies, but seriously disturbing lies.
Of course the other two faiths are no better seeing how they all came from the same myths.

Indeed. And there's always the 'interpretation' of the magic books which allows radical to back up their behaviour, and moderates to claim it's wrong.

With society being what it was back in the days of these books, I think the majority of the bad things written were meant to be taken as read, and any attempt to handwave this away with claims of 'mistranslation' is pure revisionism resulting from changes in values in modern society.

 

[mikeb768]

Sex with women captured in battle and made slaves isn't rape?
Pedophilia is usually reserved for management, but I'd be willing to wager they didn't ID girls taken in battle.

Not just lies, but seriously disturbing lies.
Of course the other two faiths are no better seeing how they all came from the same myths.

Nouman Ali Khan, Yusuf Estes, +1 more speaker help to untwist the lies which have been spun together by David Wood, Nabeel Qureshi, and others on this subject. Link
*Also I do not agree with the Christian bashing/mocking which can be found towards the end of this video.

 

[Craig4]

Nouman Ali Khan, Yusuf Estes, +1 more speaker help to untwist the lies which have been spun together by David Wood, Nabeel Qureshi, and others on this subject. Link
*Also I do not agree with the Christian bashing/mocking which can be found towards the end of this video.

It's just competing fairy stories. Muslims find the problems with Christian stories, Christians find problems with Muslim stories. None of its real though and none of it matters. You may as well argue about the color of fairy dust.

 

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

Nouman Ali Khan, Yusuf Estes, +1 more speaker help to untwist the lies which have been spun together by David Wood, Nabeel Qureshi, and others on this subject. Link
*Also I do not agree with the Christian bashing/mocking which can be found towards the end of this video.

Couldn't get through it. Got to the point around the 2 minute mark where some idiot seems to be suggesting that even 'modern civilised (read 'western') armies who do 2 years of ethics training' do terrible things to women captives.

Some people need to tell ISIS that the Quran doesn't preach rape of female captives:

http://www.theguardian.com/global-d.../03/isis-iraqi-women-rape-violence-repression

 

[SatansMaleVoiceChoir]

It's just competing fairy stories. Muslims find the problems with Christian stories, Christians find problems with Muslim stories. None of its real though and none of it matters. You may as well argue about the color of fairy dust.

^This.