How does karma operate?

[yrreg]

From my stock knowledge of Buddhism, karma is the belief that what you do in one life birth/death episode will be visited on you in your next life birth/death episode.

For example, if you were a man who had done a lot of good deeds like giving alms to the poor, then in your next life birth/death episode you will get born into a wealthy family thus as a scion to luxuries and fame.

We are therefore in karma talking about human acts which will determine your lot in your next life birth/death episode.

How does the belief as a principle of operation work, by physical causality or by moral causality?

Physical causality means when you do an act like shooting at someone you mistakenly think is a game animal like say a deer, the deer will get killed.

Moral causality means when you leave a piece of property to someone like say a house, then the house gets to be owned by that someone you have specified on your death.

Guys who are Buddhists here, do you have any idea?


Yrreg

 

[nescafe]

Your understanding of karma is simply wrong. To drastically oversimplify, you are responsible for your actions, and all actions you take have moral effects which you are also responsible for. Karma is not an eye for an eye type philosophy.

 

[l0rca]

Geez, for a troller who prides himself on criticising Buddhism, he sure gets everything he says wrong all of the time.

For everyone else: do you think that, over the last 8 months yyreg has been here and trolling Buddhism, that he has listened to or comprehended anything meaningful you've tried to argue with him?

 

[nescafe]

For everyone else: do you think that, over the last 8 months yyreg has been here and trolling Buddhism, that he has listened to or comprehended anything meaningful you've tried to argue with him?

Nope. I keep trying, though.

 

[yrreg]

Can we have a concrete example of karma's consequence?

Your understanding of karma is simply wrong. To drastically oversimplify, you are responsible for your actions, and all actions you take have moral effects which you are also responsible for. Karma is not an eye for an eye type philosophy.

Did I read about a Buddhist nun saying the 9/11 victims have themselves to blame for their karma?

Can you, Nescafe, give a non-Buddhist like myself a concrete example of the consequence of karma in a living person's lot.

You mention moral effects from karma, are you then talking of moral effects like getting your punishment for stealing by being sentenced to imprisonment?

Karma works both in one's present life birth/death episode and also extends to the next life birth/death episode (let's abbreviate the phrase as lbde)?

For example, I had just been banned forever from the Internet Infidels Discussion Board Forum which is honestly not a pleasant experience; it is clear to me that that banning is a moral consequence of my behavior which proved to be intolerable to the power figures of the IIDB forum.

Is that an example of karma operation, or if it's up to me as a thinking person, it is just the result of the discretion and action of moral agents, the power figures at IIDB forum reacting to my intolerable in their view behavior in the forum they are managing.

When I die, will that unacceptable behavior which is a moral comportment affect me in the next life birth/death episode (lbde)? namely I will come back to life as a canine therefore not eligible for membership in the IIDB Forum, which was until my banning a most absorbing enjoyable undertaking for me.


Yrreg

 

[nescafe]

Did I read about a Buddhist nun saying the 9/11 victims have themselves to blame for their karma?

You might have. Care to provide a link to the article or story in which that was said?

Can you, Nescafe, give a non-Buddhist like myself a concrete example of the consequence of karma in a living person's lot.

Karma is not about consequences -- it is merely the realization that your actions have moral consequences, with an additional assertion that the intent behind actions will reflect on the consequences of those actions.

You mention moral effects from karma, are you then talking of moral effects like getting your punishment for stealing by being sentenced to imprisonment?

Not directly.

Karma works both in one's present life birth/death episode and also extends to the next life birth/death episode (let's abbreviate the phrase as lbde)?

Only if you believe in some sort of reincarnation of the self. I do not.

For example, I had just been banned forever from the Internet Infidels Discussion Board Forum which is honestly not a pleasant experience; it is clear to me that that banning is a moral consequence of my behavior which proved to be intolerable to the power figures of the IIDB forum.

I am sorry to hear that. You have been a moderatly entertaining troll so far -- keep working on it.

Is that an example of karma operation, or if it's up to me as a thinking person, it is just the result of the discretion and action of moral agents, the power figures at IIDB forum reacting to my intolerable in their view behavior in the forum they are managing.

That whole chain of cause and effect is an example of karma. If you will, it was the karma of everyone involved.

 

[Dancing David]

From my stock knowledge of Buddhism, karma is the belief that what you do in one life birth/death episode will be visited on you in your next life birth/death episode.

For example, if you were a man who had done a lot of good deeds like giving alms to the poor, then in your next life birth/death episode you will get born into a wealthy family thus as a scion to luxuries and fame.

We are therefore in karma talking about human acts which will determine your lot in your next life birth/death episode.

How does the belief as a principle of operation work, by physical causality or by moral causality?

Physical causality means when you do an act like shooting at someone you mistakenly think is a game animal like say a deer, the deer will get killed.

Moral causality means when you leave a piece of property to someone like say a house, then the house gets to be owned by that someone you have specified on your death.

Guys who are Buddhists here, do you have any idea?


Yrreg

You stick the keyma in the ingnitionma, and turn it, then you use the steeringwheelma, the gaspedalma, and the brakema to operate the Karma.

 

[wollery]

My karma ran over my dogma!

 

[Ipecac]

Well you see, Earl has this list of all the bad things he's ever done . . .

 

[Mojo]

You stick the keyma in the ingnitionma, and turn it, then you use the steeringwheelma, the gaspedalma, and the brakema to operate the Karma.

Does it have an automatictransmissionma then?

 

[Piscivore]

Moral causality means when you leave a piece of property to someone like say a house, then the house gets to be owned by that someone you have specified on your death.

That's not moral causality, that is legal causality. Which facilitates estate-planning causality.

 

[Dancing David]

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We are therefore in karma talking about human acts which will determine your lot in your next life birth/death episode.

How does the belief as a principle of operation work, by physical causality or by moral causality?

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Yrreg

Physical causality, acts lead to other acts and create the enviroment. But i am not certain where the origins of the rebirth stuff comes into the story, I think there is no reincanation, just acts create and enviroment.

But I ain't no buddha.

 

[Dancing David]

Does it have an automatictransmissionma then?

Unless there is a clutchma, and a stickshiftma.

 

[yrreg]

Meaning of troll.

Geez, for a troller who prides himself on criticising Buddhism, he sure gets everything he says wrong all of the time.

For everyone else: do you think that, over the last 8 months yyreg has been here and trolling Buddhism, that he has listened to or comprehended anything meaningful you've tried to argue with him?

[From yrreg:]
For example, I had just been banned forever from the Internet Infidels Discussion Board Forum which is honestly not a pleasant experience; it is clear to me that that banning is a moral consequence of my behavior which proved to be intolerable to the power figures of the IIDB forum.
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[From Nescafe]
I am sorry to hear that. You have been a moderatly entertaining troll so far -- keep working on it.

[Addressing mercury and Nescafe:]​

Dear mercuryturrent and Nescafe, if I ask you to tell me what you from your own understanding of the word and your emotional attitude toward a person you use that word on, will you tell me, and not refer me to some text not written by yourself, meaning not from our own understanding and your own attitude or mentality?

Tell me what is a troll and how do you emotionally regard a troll?


Yrreg

 

[Mojo]

Tell me what is a troll...

There's a reasonably good working definition of a troll in this post:

where everyone is in the bandwagon, like taking up Buddhism or bashing acupuncture, then I will take the opposite tack.

 

[kittykatkarma]

The way my karma works is this ~

In my next life... I will be a well loved house cat. I'll make every stretch look like it felt the best. I'll sleep in that small square of sunshine on the floor thats peaking through the blind. I'll rub my chin and side on my masters leg as we walk past each other, just to say "I love you". When my master sits in the big chair, I'll curl up in their lap and soak up all the love.

Kittykatkarma ~ works for me!!

 

[yrreg]

What I mean by moral causality.

[from yrreg]
Moral causality means when you leave a piece of property to someone like say a house, then the house gets to be owned by that someone you have specified on your death. ​

That's not moral causality, that is legal causality. Which facilitates estate-planning causality.

By moral causality as distinct from physical causality I mean it is effected by intelligent free conscious emotional beings like humans. So legal causality is a category of moral causality.

Perhaps a comprehensible way of explaining moral causality as distinct from physical causality is to show the difference between a wedding and a chemical or mechanical process.

In a wedding the process leads to a relationship between two parties traditionally a man and a woman, whereby they are bound together in regard to rights and obligations by and on each over their respective body and material and personal resources.

In a chemical process like the hydrogenation of oxygen to produce water or the mechanical process like the rotary motion of the moon on its axis, there is no participation of an intelligent free and emotional agent like humans.


Yrreg

 

[TragicMonkey]

How does karma operate? Well, apparently every day is like a survival, you're my lover and not my rival.

 

[yrreg]

Your own personal understanding and your emotional attitude.

[Quoted by Mojo from yrreg:]
Tell me what is a troll...

​

There's a reasonably good working definition of a troll in this post:

where everyone is in the bandwagon, like taking up Buddhism or bashing acupuncture, then I will take the opposite tack.

[post from Mojo verbatim]

The whole sentence reads like this:

I am modesty aside a super skeptic: where everyone is in the bandwagon, like taking up Buddhism or bashing acupuncture, then I will take the opposite tack.

[Addressing Mojo:]

If I ask you to tell me what you from your own understanding of the word and your emotional attitude toward a person you use that word on, will you tell me, and not refer me to some text not written by yourself, meaning not from your own understanding and your own attitude or mentality?

Tell me what is a troll and how do you emotionally regard a troll?​

Please, just your own understanding in your own words and also very important your emotional stance toward the subject you apply the word to.


Yrreg

 

[yrreg]

I am requesting for a concrete example of karma's consequence.

Originally Posted by yrreg
For example, I had just been banned forever from the Internet Infidels Discussion Board Forum which is honestly not a pleasant experience; it is clear to me that that banning is a moral consequence of my behavior which proved to be intolerable to the power figures of the IIDB forum.


I am sorry to hear that. You have been a moderatly entertaining troll so far -- keep working on it.


Originally Posted by yrreg
Is that an example of karma operation, or if it's up to me as a thinking person, it is just the result of the discretion and action of moral agents, the power figures at IIDB forum reacting to my intolerable in their view behavior in the forum they are managing.

That whole chain of cause and effect is an example of karma. If you will, it was the karma of everyone involved.

I am asking you to produce even just a hypothetical person that can be represented in actual current history of people, living persons, whose life situation or a specific aspect of is due to his karma from previous life birth/death episodes (lbdes).

But if your concrete example is my banning from the Internet Infidels forum as I have reported on from myself, that is all right with me, for the purpose of our thread here on "How does karma operate?"


Yrreg