How Does JE Receive Messages?

[Clancie]

Posted by Garrette

The other possibility (one of the other possibilities, anyway) is:

The medium is a fraud who is practiced at his art.

Note that this is not the same as "making it up lock, stock, and barrel."

Hi Garrette,

It isn't? I don't see why, but in any case, I was thinking of both possibilities--"fraud" or "self deceived"--when I wrote it.

I really do think a fraud could just be "making it all up lock, stock and barrel", too.

 

[De_Bunk]

Clancie...Neofighter...

Get a room, you two...

And i happen to be very well informed on the subject of JE...and especially Geller..( Well not so much now, as i lost my inside contact)

My premise is this...

If you consider, no matter how miniscule that consideration is, that people actually talk and pick up messages from dead people, or bend spoons with their minds......then you must be classed as a kook...

Since the beginning of time...the paranormal has never been proven to exist....but millions of fakes and frauds have been exposed...everytime a reliable scientific test takes place...they fail...

Why hasnt any real life TV film crew, ever recorded poltergeist activity where things fly across the room...where the object just lifts up moves across the room and lands again..

TV has been around a long time...and yet not one of these TV crews has ever captured a household item floating around that has not been proven to be faked...

If you believe in lfe after death...then you are delusional...a kook...

If you remotely believe that Geller actually bend spoons and starts watches..then you are delusional...a kook..

If you actually believe that John Edward actually is talking to dead things..things that no longer exist...then you are delusional...a kook..

A true skeptic asks questions, doubts his own mind, is not sure...


I am not a Skeptic....

I know...100% it all crap..

I know its total garbage and believed by people who are delusional.... and very, very gullible...

Plain and simple...

I "Pay my penny to laugh at the kooks"

Its fun to laugh at kooks...those kooks who believe...

No one has ever proved the paranormal ot exist...why should i prove anything back...

As long as i know...and post my opinions so all can read...and make their own minds up..

DB

 

[Instig8R]

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Despite the fact that he would have been only about 4 years old at the time (he was 18 when he died in June 2000), it's the norm for any sports fan... especially those of clubs struggling like the Mets have, to be familiar with their team's last great achievement.

Even if JE did say 1986, it does not lend to any "specialness" the hit may or may not have had.

Hi, dingler44--

Even if JE is a not a sports fanatic, the fact is that up until (I think) age 10, he lived in Glen Oaks, Queens, which is almost close enough for the cheers and boos from Shea Stadium to be heard at his home if the windows were open. I'd wager that he's gone to a few games and heard about the memorable World Series victories in 1969 and 1986.

The Mets have a big following here on Long Island. (Since the Mets are so bad, I feel it must be because Shea Stadium can be reached from Long Island without having to cross a bridge!)

Anyway, the point is that even non-baseball fans like me know that the Mets won the world series in 1969 and 1986. We are still inundated with celebratory memorabilia for those years, "Ya gotta believe"-type stuff... Coffee mugs, bumper stickers, etc.

This is why you are correct, even more than you realize, about the lack of "specialness" of the 1969 and 1986 Mets reference. I think that people from other parts of the country do not realize the regional advantages that JE enjoys by having a gallery primarilly made up of his NY neighbors.

 

[Instig8R]

lol Instig8R! I know you mean that in the most affectionate way! I can just feel the love! ......neo

Another silly inference!

Hey, are you stalking me???

 

[Garrette]

Hi Garrette,

It isn't? I don't see why, but in any case, I was thinking of both possibilities--"fraud" or "self deceived"--when I wrote it.

I really do think a fraud could just be "making it all up lock, stock and barrel", too.

Yes, a fraud could be making it up, but he wouldn't last long.

A practiced fraud knows what he's doing. If you have paid any attention to anything said about cold reading, warm and hot reading, then you do know the difference.

Instig8r makes a good point with the regional advantage of being in NY. Someone in Burbank who said that might be in fact making it up. Of course, it would be impressive if it was a hit there and other fraudulent methods were eliminated.

 

[BNiles]

In Star Trek, it's called being a fan-boy.

BNiles, what on earth is your avatar?

Hahahaha, this thread is cracking me up and I'm only on page one.

My avatar is a picture of a rare fish found in the Gulf of Mexico. I'm not sure what it's real name is, but the locals here call it the devil fish. You're actually looking at it's belly. What appears to be eyes are really nostrils.

I like it because it reminds me of just how easily legend lore can be created from nature.

 

[thaiboxerken]

I ask because you may disagree with her ideas about the afterlife and JE's mediumship, but she's certainly looked at so many sources about it, both pro and con, in order to arrive at her conclusions.

There are many well-informed woo-woos out there.


Her beliefs in this are based on reasoning not just emotion, even if it isn't the same reasoning that might come from a scientific laboratory. After all, since no such experiment exists for comparison, its all speculative anyway.

There is NO evidence of an afterlife, soul or mediumship. Her reasoning IS based on emotion.


But neo is extremely well informed, using the sources available. I think people calling her a "kook" should be at least as well informed about the subject themselves.

She's a "well informed" kook. But she's still a kook.

 

[BNiles]

Clancie,

I like your new avatar, know what I mean? know what I mean? wink wink nudge nudge know what I mean? Say no more say no more!

 

[BNiles]

On the contrary, he rarely gives sports references to his mostly NY audience (which is consistent with his claim that he knows next to nothing about sports. ).

You're right that this is consistent with his claim that he knows next to nothing about sports, but not for the reasoning you imply.

JE doesn't follow sports, fine, neither do I. If I were going to claim to be talking to a dead relative of a stranger, I would avoid sports as well so as to limit my chances of failure.

Since JE claims to be the real thing this shouldn't matter. I'm sure he knows what a football looks like, or a baseball or hockey puck. Lets not kid ourselves into thinking that he grew up in a closet. If the spirit was a sports fan, I'm sure there would be a multitude of references that could be made through the many ways in which it's been claimed that JE receives "messages".

In fact I might find it more credible if JE made a "Good Hit" that was a specific reference to something he knows nothing about. Unfortunately, I haven't seen this yet.

BTW...JE might not know much about sports, but he's quite versed in the ways of fishing.

 

[Instig8R]

How Does JE Receive Messages???

I guess I’m a glutton for punishment. I went to JE’s “Crossing Over” TV show website, to view upcoming episodes. Under “This Weeks Connections”, I learned that the theme of Thursday’s show is pregnancy, and it is entitled “Special Delivery”. Here is the description of the episode:

“No matter how secretive you think you are, it’s impossible to keep anything from our psychic-medium. Whenever John feels a flutter, it means that someone is pregnant. Today’s show takes a closer look at readings where JOHN reveals a pregnancy. Some tried to keep it a secret while others didn’t even know they were pregnant!”

Crossing Over website

Now, I am aware that JE receives messages by clair-u-name-it. I’m familiar with the various symbols, too. Just when I thought I’d heard every inflated ability claimed by JE, along comes this new ability.

Unfortunately, the episode information doesn’t indicate in what part of JE’s anatomy he feels this flutter. I mean, really! Why not weird food cravings?

It would also be interesting to know how JE recognized that there was an association between his “fluttering” and the future pregnancies of nearby females.

I expect JE to start marketing EPT Kits... or would that be ESP – EPT Kits?

 

[neofight]

Re: How Does JE Receive Messages???

Now, I am aware that JE receives messages by clair-u-name-it. I’m familiar with the various symbols, too. Just when I thought I’d heard every inflated ability claimed by JE, along comes this new ability.

Just to set the record straight, Instig8R, the flutter is not any new ability. He's mentioned it a few times on "CO" that this is the way he gets pregancies.

Unfortunately, the episode information doesn’t indicate in what part of JE’s anatomy he feels this flutter. I mean, really! Why not weird food cravings?

Well, for damn sure he isn't getting it in his uterus, but he does get it in the general abdominal area. Besides, not all pregnant women get weird food cravings, but they do all get fluttering. lol

It would also be interesting to know how JE recognized that there was an association between his “fluttering” and the future pregnancies of nearby females.

Probably the same way that he learns about all of his symbols and impressions. Experience. After a while, he knows what the symbols and feelings signify, but there had to be a first time for all of them.

And they are not necessarily future pregnancies, only recent pregnancies. So it could be that the baby was just born a very short time ago, or the woman is pregnant at the time of the reading. I don't know if it goes beyond that.....neo

 

[Ersby]

Something to look out for during CO, LKL etc. Does JE restrict himself to guesses about pregnancy to mostly female sitters? If he was a cold reader he would, because he'd be fishing for a big hit on the sitter themselves being pregnant, and he wouldn't want to waste a "Who's pregnant?" guess on a man.

 

[Instig8R]

 

[Ersby]

I stand corrected.

 

[neofight]

LOL Instig8R! Funny pic! If you remember, JE once spoke about having menstrual cramps as well. I don't remember if that was in "OLT", or did he talk about it during a Q & A on "CO". lol

I think he said he was dancing with a woman, and he got such bad cramps everytime he touched her that he couldn't continue dancing.

When he told her what the problem was, she took a kind of perverse pleasure in the fact that he could literally "feel her pain". ......neo

 

[Clancie]

rofl, Instig8r!!!

Posted by De Bunk

And i happen to be very well informed on the subject of JE...and
especially Geller.

mmm....De Bunk....Isn't that a little like saying, "I happen to be very well informed on the subject of van Gogh...and especially Beethoven."

Posted by Bill Niles

In fact I might find it more credible if JE made a "Good Hit" that was a specific reference to something he knows nothing about. Unfortunately, I haven't seen this yet.

Hi Bill,

Doesn't the Mets pennant count? Considering what a sports-minded country this is, his sports related comments are amazingly few to my way of thinking. I would think a cold reader would make that a definite part of his repertoire.

Maybe neo remembers the one with the man with a rare baseball and/or a baseball collection. The only other dramatic one I remember was about a shark attack and it turned out the boy was a huge Sharks fan.

BTW...JE might not know much about sports, but he's quite versed in the ways of fishing

ha!...

 

[voidx]

So uh...who does JE get the pregnancy information from? Dead spirits? Do they have a connection with an embryo's "soul" and pass it on to John? What if the mother doesn't know she's pregnant? Can John still tell? How? From who? Telepathically with the new fetus/embryo? Telepathically with the mother who may or may not know? He gets a "flutter", another detailed JE process', hurray!

 

[dingler44]

So uh...who does JE get the pregnancy information from? Dead spirits? Do they have a connection with an embryo's "soul" and pass it on to John? What if the mother doesn't know she's pregnant? Can John still tell? How? From who? Telepathically with the new fetus/embryo? Telepathically with the mother who may or may not know? He gets a "flutter", another detailed JE process', hurray!

void, I sense despair... keep it together man! You'll get through this!

 

[voidx]

Posted by dingler44
void, I sense despair... keep it together man! You'll get through this!

Fear not true believers (the Stan Lee kind) I will cinch up my boot straps and carry on!

Now, the above questions I asked are very important. If JE is not getting the information from dead spirits, then gee golly he must get it from someone who is alive, either the mother, or the fetus/embryo. This implies normal telepathy, or some form of subconscious mind-reading. This is a new JE ability to me, and also if it were true would put his entire mediumship abilities into question. If JE is getting subconscious telepathic communication (yah right) then its possible he's not talking to dead spirits at all, and rather is just getting his details subconsiously from the living. Hmmm food for thought. Now I know the point of, "well sometimes the sitters get information that they didn't know and verify it later", will come up. Either they forgot about it and only knew it subconsiously, or ok its from dead spirits, but only in those instances, any other example could as easily be JE reading peoples minds, and not communicating with their dead relatives at all. How would we ever know? Perhaps JE doesn't want to claim this particular ability.

 

[CFLarsen]

voidx,

It's not just the living, we also have to look at the possibility that JE can read the mind of a living fetus.

How early in the pregnancy can a fetus communicate with JE?

Let's see neofight try and read JE's mind about that....