How do you interpret this quote?

[Pardalis]

'Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U. S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."

Sounds like the very people who keep hiding the remote from me.

 

[tomwaits]

His wife.

hahaha nice...

 

[Brainache]

Red herring and strawman. Wilson's policies are irrelevant to his observations.

Is Wilson a crazy conspiracy theorist?

Was.

I guess that's why he tried setting up the League of Nations. That guy hated the thought of global laws etc...

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

ETA: I just cheated by searching the Gutenberg copy. Yep, it's about the trusts, hot issue ca.1912. So again, TLB; what is your view? Wilson's concern about the trusts and monopoly capitalism was pretty obvious even at a quick glance like I just did.

Pfft... Hey, TheLoneBedouin. Can you dig up a quote about "those damn commies", too? That'd be great.

 

[TheLoneBedouin]

Is Wilson a crazy consiracy theorist?

Was.

Riiight!

Brainache (Camera Operator, Salesman, TV Director, Father, Maintenance Man) knows better than Woodrow Wilson, 28th President of the United States, on the power relations between the MIC, bankers, and Washington.

 

[PhantomWolf]

Wilson doesn't mention a conspriacy anywhere in that quote, or in the chapter that I could see. What he did say was that due to the lack of legal protections to new businesses, that those already in instrusty had control and were acting as a monopoly to keep out any competition from being created against them.

How that becomes a conspiracy between the MIC, bankers, and Washington I have no idea.

 

[tomwaits]

Riiight!

Brainache (Camera Operator, Salesman, TV Director, Father, Maintenance Man) knows better than Woodrow Wilson, 28th President of the United States, on the power relations between the MIC, bankers, and Washington.

In hindsight, yes. It is quite easy to know better than someone who led a powerful country over 80 years ago.

 

[Brainache]

Riiight!

Brainache (Camera Operator, Salesman, TV Director, Father, Maintenance Man) knows better than Woodrow Wilson, 28th President of the United States, on the power relations between the MIC, bankers, and Washington.

I didn't say I know better than Woodrow Wilson. I do, however, know better than you. Not difficult really.

 

[SDC]

He says there is a single monopoly that is "organized, subtle, watchful, interlocked, complete, and pervasive" that controls the loaning of large amounts of credit as well as "the industries of the country".

Is Wilson a crazy conspiricy theorist?

TLB, you still haven't answered; what is your take on Wilson's views? Are you going to have courage enough to say, or are you just going to play the tease? Or just continue the dance of the seven veils...

Also, it's apparent you didn't read Wilson's essay at Gutenberg, and only did a little cherry picking of quotes. How about you tell us where you came across the quotes. And I don't believe you got them from the actual essay.

ETA: I am trying to say: you must have picked up a few choice quotes from a third party, so to speak. Tell us who and where.

Also ETA: in post 20 you said: "Wilson's policies are irrelevant to his observations." Worthy of a stundie nomination, and if you don't know why, TLB, you are merely displaying thoughtlessness and ignorance.

MIC... Microphone? I don't think they were at all common in 1912. Oh, you mean Military Industrial Complex, a phrase which, I think was popularized by Eisenhower ca.1960, and in any case is stunningly inappropriate for the US ca.1912.

 

[TjW]

Honestly? I would interpret it as: "Even rich, powerful people can suffer from irrational fears."
For a fairly recent example, see a biography of Howard Hughes.

But I have to wonder: If even rich, powerful people with lots of resources at their disposal dare not fight this cabal, why does it have to stay secret? Why is it always just about to conquer the world, and yet it never does? Frankly, it sounds to me like Jeebus, who is always just about to return, and so you'd better be sucking up to the people who have the inside information on these things.

 

[Alareth]

You see TLB, you are incapable of looking at anything objectively. Your entire worldview is so tainted by your fears of shadowy evil that it alters your perceptions so it is everywhere and in everything.

I'm pretty sure you see deep hidden messages and secret warnings in a "I hate Mondays" Garfield comic.

 

[SDC]

Remember your high school US History & Civics classes? The textbooks often were illustrated with political cartoons including from the late 19th and early 20th centuries. There would always be characters labelled "trusts", usually fat men with cigars, and with moneybags instead of faces.

Well, that was in the 60s, anyhow, when I was taking these classes. Nowadays, they probably have pictures of Monica Lewinsky doing Bill Clinton. Grump, grump.

 

[1337m4n]

How do you interpret this quote by Patrick Henry?

give me death

I guess, TLB, you are saying Patrick Henry was suicidally mentally unstable?

 

[Tippit]

Honestly? I would interpret it as: "Even rich, powerful people can suffer from irrational fears."
For a fairly recent example, see a biography of Howard Hughes.

But I have to wonder: If even rich, powerful people with lots of resources at their disposal dare not fight this cabal, why does it have to stay secret? Why is it always just about to conquer the world, and yet it never does? Frankly, it sounds to me like Jeebus, who is always just about to return, and so you'd better be sucking up to the people who have the inside information on these things.

Because that is the source of their power. It's much better for them that you think "democratically elected leaders" have power, because it offers you hope that you can just vote the bums out. There will never be a proclamation that will confirm for you what is obvious to me.

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.

 

[stilicho]

Bankers. I'm gonna withdraw my money now from Crazy Bob's First Bank Trust & Fireworks down on the corner. That greedy slob!

We offer much better rates at "Stilicho's Bank Of Smoke & Mirrors".

 

[bynmdsue]

Who's afraid of Milburn Drysdale?

 

[stilicho]

None are so hopelessly enslaved as those who falsely believe they are free.

Eeesh.

Did you know that one of the quotes in your sig line is a joke that Mr Bernanke told at Milton Friedman's birthday party?

 

[TheLoneBedouin]

You see TLB, you are incapable of looking at anything objectively. Your entire worldview is so tainted by your fears of shadowy evil that it alters your perceptions so it is everywhere and in everything.

I'm pretty sure you see deep hidden messages and secret warnings in a "I hate Mondays" Garfield comic.

I've said nothing about what I believe- you're simply lying. Lying suggests that you are incabable of looking at anything objectively.

Please do not post in this thread unless you have something constructive to add.

 

[Alareth]

I've said nothing about what I believe

Your motives and statements are a lot more transparent than you believe.

 

[TheLoneBedouin]

Honestly? I would interpret it as: "Even rich, powerful people can suffer from irrational fears."
For a fairly recent example, see a biography of Howard Hughes.

But he goes on to list the reasons why they are afraid. Dismissing all evidence of conspiracy as "irrational" is itself irrational.

But I have to wonder: If even rich, powerful people with lots of resources at their disposal dare not fight this cabal, why does it have to stay secret?

In short, game theory.

Why is it always just about to conquer the world, and yet it never does?

Wilson doesn't say anything about "conquering the world".

Frankly, it sounds to me like Jeebus, who is always just about to return, and so you'd better be sucking up to the people who have the inside information on these things.

You're a conspiracy theorist.