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How do you feel about Sarah Palin...

dc1971

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I want to get a general consensus going here!

I guess the $100 question is... Who here likes Sarah Palin? By LIKE, I mean as a person and as a politician. What is your own PERSONAL point of view?

Personally, she is not worthy of being President of the United States. She doesn't have any foreign policy experience, she doesn't really present herself all that well and it was a VERY BAD move on John McCain's behalf to choose her as his running mate for the 2008 elections! In other words, she was the nail in the coffin that guaranteed Obama a place in the White House! However, it always slays me when the radio conservatives talk about her like she the savior that will deliver us from the "evils" of socialism!

There are other words I could use to describe her on a personal level but I won't go there.

Anyway, thoughts?

DC (not Dick Cheney)
 
There was a nice movie based on her...but beyond on that I felt her place was really to play the insane base. I didn't like the idea of using a woman to speak to the insane people because they can claim sexism whenever someone attacked her. I imagine they were afraid that any criticism of Obama would be seen as racism, but beyond the usual birther fair, that hasn't been the case.

Honestly she was probably what really hurt the election, well that and David Letterman. :D
 
parky76 said:
I've never felt her...but I'd like to. I bet she feels nice....I like.
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LOL! I would stay away from that! You know, there's bears and caribou in Alaska! What's to say... you know... Sarah... bears... wildlife...


.....just put two and two together... you know where I'm getting at...

"happy thoughts, happy thoughts..."
 
fullflavormenthol said:
There was a nice movie based on her...but beyond on that I felt her place was really to play the insane base. I didn't like the idea of using a woman to speak to the insane people because they can claim sexism whenever someone attacked her. I imagine they were afraid that any criticism of Obama would be seen as racism, but beyond the usual birther fair, that hasn't been the case.

Honestly she was probably what really hurt the election, well that and David Letterman. :D
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What was the movie called?

Grizzly Man? She played Mr. Chocolate?
 
The problem with Sarah Palin is not that she can't decide whether she wants to be a public servant or a media personality, it's that she doesn't appear to understand that there's a difference.
 
Piggy said:
The problem with Sarah Palin is not that she can't decide whether she wants to be a public servant or a media personality, it's that she doesn't appear to understand that there's a difference.
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Well it's not that she doesn't understand a difference, I just don't think she understands.... period!
 
dc1971 said:
Well it's not that she doesn't understand a difference, I just don't think she understands.... period!
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Um, yeah... I'm just going to have to go ahead and... disagree with you there. </Lumberg>

She is extremely savvy about the media, about her target audiences, about her personal presentation.

What's truly frightening about her, tho, is that she's willing to use high political offices (you know, with actual responsibilities to actual people) to forward her career as a media personality.

This is a woman who made abortion a central issue in her mayoral run, and even got some national GOP involvement.

Sarah Palin's product is Sarah Palin. And everything else be damned.

Her little correction on her hand crib is telling. She originally wrote "Budget cuts", then crossed out "Budget" and wrote "Tax".

That bespeaks a woman who is focused very intently on the effect she intends to have on her audience, and who is utterly indifferent to the external reality she's allegedly addressing in her speech.

Her first idea is "Budget cuts", reducing spending in Washington. A pretty good talking point. Now that the right wing has suddenly converted from deficit supporters (after all, as Cheney said, "Ronald Reagan proved that deficits don't matter") to rabid deficit hawks, reining in spending is a hotbutton issue.

Then she realized that, no, that's not as strong as tax cuts. Why? Because budget cuts are indirect and distant. Tax cuts, tho, are immediate and personal. So tax cuts "pull" better than budget cuts.

So she changes it.

And this despite the fact that the two are 180 degrees from each other. Budget cuts reduce the deficit by reducing spending. Tax cuts increase the deficit by reducing revenues.

Reality makes no difference to her. She is intensely focused on what her target audience wants to hear, and will deliver that, regardless of whether it conforms to mere reality.

Like Rove, she is completely disdainful of the "reality based community".
 
Piggy said:
The problem with Sarah Palin is not that she can't decide whether she wants to be a public servant or a media personality, it's that she doesn't appear to understand that there's a difference.
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Well, neither does Obama, or Al Franklin, or most political pundits on television (both right and left -- Jon Stewart, Bill O'Reilly...) This is surely a problem with her, or perhaps with the celebrity-loving American political system, but is hardly hers alone.

Sarah Palin's product is Sarah Palin. And everything else be damned.
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Can't say I particularly disagree.. but how is this different than most other politicians? Certainly it's frightingly true, again, in Obama's case, although true in other cases as well. "Narcissistic politician" is hardly a rare breed...

I am not using a tu quoque fallacy here -- I think that both really are more similar to each other in the "politician as celebrity" and "it's all about ME" way of thinking than to others in their own camp.
 
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The main problem with Sarah Palin is that there is no subforum dedicated to her so the rest of us could ignore these constant idiotic threads.
 
Brainster said:
The main problem with Sarah Palin is that there is no subforum dedicated to her so the rest of us could ignore these constant idiotic threads.
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You are quite free to ignore them, you know.

Yet here you are.
 
Piggy said:
That's quite ridiculous.
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Not really.

First, "on paper", at least, her qualifications (Governor, mayor) as just as good as his, if not better (Senator, law professor).

Both, however, have "formal" qualifications that are significantly below in terms of experience than what most presidents have (or had).

Both are popular far more for what their followers project on them -- they are both "The One", icons of their constituency's hopes -- than for any specific political idea of their own.

Both were chosen much more for being against something or someone (against Bush, against Obama) than for giving any coherent policy (and "Yes we can" doesn't count).

Both are popular for what they are -- a Black man from a poor family who "made it" against the odds, a woman from rural, small town America who is a proud mother of many children -- than for anything they did. (I am not saying they didn't do anything, they both did, but that that's not why they're popular).

They are both celebrity politicians, running as themselves and not as conveyors of any ideas; very much so, and, alas, even more than the degree that politicians were celebrity politicians before. Yes, I didn't think that was possible, either.
 
Demonstrated herself to be inept as mayor and governor, then quit to chase some easy money.

I feel she is last years news, washed up and irrelevant but still wanting the limelight, will soon be spouting even more outrageous stuff aimed at the wackadoodle fringe to keep herself in the news. Sorta like a humanoid Dick Cheney.
 
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I like how (at least by the sampling I've done on this thread) to talk about Sarah Palin and why you like her and think she is good you have to talk about someone called "Obama". You'd almost would think that folk wanted to avoid actually discussing her weaknesses and strengths.
 
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