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How do psychic mediums know stuff about you

AmyW said:
...I then asked a medium if this was true and she said she channeled God and confirmed my worse fears ...
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Just sit back for a moment and think about what a horrible, predatory human being that so-called medium was. Based on your anecdote, one would have needed little more than the perceptive powers of an over-ripe rutabaga to have figured out that you were in a fragile state of crippling self-doubt. What did this person do? Latch on and pour a cup or so of salt into that wound, and then rub it in deep. Why? Because they know a mark when they see one, and the more vulnerable the better. Kudos to you for ultimately escaping such a trap. You could easily have ended up down a path of being a regular paying customer to this creep or someone similar. Sounds like you had plenty of academic intelligence whether you appreciated it or not!

Also this:

1) There is no god, so you needn't fear it.
2) If you were a believer in a god, why on Earth would you need some other jackass to talk to it for you? That's just people taking money and wresting power from an indoctrinated populace. Look how intelligent you were to escape that!
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Is this kind of arrogance something you got from Silver Birch, or is this of your own making?
Sheesh. :jaw-dropp




Strange, then, that despite the amazing accuracy and usefulness of these "genuine" mediums, you haven't been to see one for more than 30 years, and cannot name a single modern-day medium you think is the real deal.

Note: hubris is not educational.
Neither is anecdotal evidence.
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Bump for Scorpion.
Can you explain why you no longer visit mediums, and can you name a modern-day medium you think is genuine?
 
Cosmic Yak said:
Bump for Scorpion.
Can you explain why you no longer visit mediums, and can you name a modern-day medium you think is genuine?
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I just got out of the habit of going to church, and as a consequence I don't know of any practicing mediums.
 
Scorpion can you explain why mediums are so mean and go around causing real damage to people's confidence like my own?
 
AmyW said:
Scorpion can you explain why mediums are so mean and go around causing real damage to people's confidence like my own?
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In my experience genuine mediums are usually trying to give people comfort, by giving them messages from their departed relatives.
 
Scorpion said:
I just got out of the habit of going to church, and as a consequence I don't know of any practicing mediums.
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Scorpion said:
In my experience genuine mediums are usually trying to give people comfort, by giving them messages from their departed relatives.
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Something you clearly don't need any more. Curious.
You see, Scorpion, the problem is that all we have to go on are your stories from the 1970s about these amazing, real, genuine mediums- and, as we have established, that simply isn't good enough.
It also robs us of the chance of experiencing what you define as 'the real thing' for ourselves.
It is odd, at least to me, that, having received such incredible insights and such comfort, you should then have 'got out of the habit' of doing it. What if there were more revelations (like the one about your dead brother) waiting for you? How can you be sure you have nothing left to learn from the spirits?

It is also odd that you do not seem remotely interested in assisting anyone in finding a genuine medium, given that we know there are frauds all over the place, and also given that you put- or used to put- so much stock in what they had to tell you.
 
Scorpion said:
In my experience genuine mediums are usually trying to give people comfort, by giving them messages from their departed relatives.
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That's a long-winded way of saying no, you can't explain it. AmyW's experience is just as valid as yours, in the sense of giving us an idea how these people operate. Maybe you should consider that her experience demands an explanation more urgently than yours, and that you constantly repeating the same stories in thread after thread is an act that has worn extremely thin.
 
xterra said:
What would a 'genuine' medium do if the message the departed relative sent this message?
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Or similarly, I have departed relatives who were jerks in life, and I'm much happier now that they're gone. I don't care to hear any message from them from beyond the grave. Except maybe an apology and the combination to their safe.

The whole "consoling grief-stricken survivors" meme is part-and-parcel of the schtick. Of course hucksters are going to seek out people who are emotionally vulnerable and therefore easy marks. And the "told me stuff that the medium couldn't know" meme seems fairly aimed at bolstering the medium's credibility, not advancing the agenda of either the client or the spirit.

To be sure, I think there are professed mediums who don't have malicious intent. But no one has yet proven a genuine medium. So then the morality of the exercise revolves around telling people lies in order to change their mood one way or another.
 
xterra said:
Jay, I don't disagree with you, but I would like to hear what Scorpion has to say about my question, since he is the one claiming that genuine mediums exist.
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I want to hear what he has to say too. I was just expanding on the circumstances you raised. Genuine mediums would have to cope with the situation where the relationship between survivor and departed is not as one-dimensional as the stereotypical practice suggests. Sorry, didn't mean to step in the way.
 
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xterra said:
...I would like to hear what Scorpion has to say about my question, since he is the one claiming that genuine mediums exist.
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Folks there are unsinkable rubber ducks and then there are helium-filled rubber ducks that float above the water. Our man Scorpion is one of the latter. There are pages and pages of thoughtful questions – plenty of snarky ones too – in which he's demonstrated a bulletproof immunity to logic in his pursuit of the supernatural. He's not unintelligent – quite the opposite I'd wager – but he's an extraordinarily motivated reasoner. If you're looking for advice on psychics, I'd much prefer you stick to Randi and Sagan.

Although it's fun sometimes to see what excuse he might come up with next, my motivation for interacting with Scorpion is in large measure to help him recognize and avoid the scam artists that have often in the past and continue to this day to take advantage of him. If any of the basic details he's shared here are true, Scorpion has suffered from mental illnesses, alcoholism, etc. in his life, and I'm glad he's still here with us. It's a testament to his strength of character. But no, he doesn't know jack about psychics.
 
AmyW said:
Thank you Jay. Basically a few years ago I used to practice divination, I used it to try and communicate to 'god' and some very strange coincidences happened. I have always had a low level of confidence when it comes to my academic performance and so I asked 'god' through divination techniques he created me academically unintelligent and I felt like the answers were pointed to yes... I then asked a medium if this was true and she said she channeled God and confirmed my worse fears that indeed he created me academically unintelligent which in turn has halted me in going forward and learning new things which is what I love to do..

Now can you see why I am trying to debunk it all? All I want is my life back and to rid of this awful belief that god has created me as academically inept, it's had a massive negative impact on my life and my self confidence
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Ah, but you are already exhibiting a desire and ability to learn simply by being here, asking the questions you do and understanding the answers given.

In other words, were you such an ineducable idiot, you would never have turned up right here. Yet you demonstrably have.

Don't sell yourself short.
 
abaddon said:
Ah, but you are already exhibiting a desire and ability to learn simply by being here, asking the questions you do and understanding the answers given.

In other words, were you such an ineducable idiot, you would never have turned up right here. Yet you demonstrably have.

Don't sell yourself short.
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This↑

Read, absorb and reread it when you start to doubt yourself.
 
xterra said:
What would a 'genuine' medium do if the message the departed relative sent this message?
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Most mediums I encountered don't relate unsympathetic messages. They are trying to help people and give them comfort and guidance.
 
JayUtah said:
Or similarly, I have departed relatives who were jerks in life, and I'm much happier now that they're gone. I don't care to hear any message from them from beyond the grave. Except maybe an apology and the combination to their safe.
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I naturally had two grandmothers, but my fathers mother was an old battle axe who called me a swine under her breath. I never received any message from her and I am not surprised. All the messages I received were from my mothers mother, who cared about me.

When she was alive I scorned her beliefs in a spirit world, and I said to her, "what will you do if you survive death" She said " I will watch over you darling" and she was true to her word. I got regular messages from her. But I never heard a word from my other grandmother, who probably still mutters about me in the next world.

I believe it is not easy to come back and give messages to relatives, as the world is surrounded by dark psychic energy, caused by all the wars, and such, and a spirit has to descend through it to reach us. So they have to be motivated and I can't see my fathers mother making any effort to reach me ,as she did not like me.
 
No, he didn't completely evade it. He said that mediums are selective in what they transmit from 'the other side.'

By implication, they would not tell you, for instance, that your grandmother hid the fact that she had been a prostitute and that your grandfather stole the money they left you so you could ... umm, buy a refrigerator.

Scorpion, suppose you asked 'Where did you hide the three million dollars you earned by stock trading and that you promised to bequeath to me?" If the medium got a truthful answer, do you think the medium* would transmit the answer?

*Edited to clarify. I am referring to the genuine mediums, not the fake ones.
 
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