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How do psychic mediums know stuff about you

We get a steady stream of believers here, determined to teach us the error of our ways. They almost always refuse to consider the possibility (a) that we've heard it all before and (b) that they might be the one who has something to learn.

Or better yet, something to demonstrate. It hasn't been done to any measure of science yet but an endless stream of believers are lined up anyway.

A lot if us would be open to anything that is not ' beyond the realm of science ' and might even be useful. All this cryptic, only available to the high priest "Fake Indian Type" in his theme park lodge crap is silly.
 
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Again you're missing what we're trying to tell you, she didn't know this, it's a general Barnum statement, everybody thinks they're a good person, everybody thinks they put others ahead of themself, this statement is not in any way special to you, she's not sending out emails to anyone else saying "you're a malignant narcissist who needs to love yourself less". If someone had told Adolf Hitler he was a good person who loved too much and put other people first he'd have agreed it.

We all* think we're good, we all think we're generous people, we all think we have talent and potential, we're all the hero of our own stories and we cherry pick the evidence to prove it to ourselves.

*all in this case being pretty much anyone without very serious issues.

Thank you, yes you're right :-) I am so glad I've found this site and for your advice, it's gold dust to me :-)
 
I'm glad you did too, and I'm glad that we can be helpful to you. I hope you stick around. There are loads of different sections and topics here that you might find interesting (although I would personally recommend avoiding the Politics sections :p).
 
I'm glad you did too, and I'm glad that we can be helpful to you. I hope you stick around. There are loads of different sections and topics here that you might find interesting (although I would personally recommend avoiding the Politics sections :p).

Seconded.
 
Again you're missing what we're trying to tell you, she didn't know this, it's a general Barnum statement, everybody thinks they're a good person, everybody thinks they put others ahead of themself, this statement is not in any way special to you, she's not sending out emails to anyone else saying "you're a malignant narcissist who needs to love yourself less". If someone had told Adolf Hitler he was a good person who loved too much and put other people first he'd have agreed it.


I'm reminded of the two Russian psychics who James Randi tested, who could supposedly divine information about someone from their photo. When they examined a randomly chosen photo, they started talking about how he was a kind man who was deeply involved in helping his community, and was close to his family. Things like that. They were a little upset that Randi just sat there taking notes, not giving them any feedback that they could use to alter their assessment. It turned out to be a photo of Ted Bundy. They quickly started backpedaling at that point. "I said he had sad eyes. The eyes of a sadist." I'm guessing that they assumed Randi was using photos of friends, family members, and other close associates, so he would have a good opinion of them.
 
Since I recommended it without knowing your tastes, if you don't like it let me know and I'll donate the cost to a charity of your choice.

I have started reading some, is this guy a skeptic?
 
Do you think there are genuinely some psychics who have good intentions, like are wanting to somehow help the grieving, even if it is made up? Are there any psychics on the planet that have been proven as real?
 
Do you think there are genuinely some psychics who have good intentions, like are wanting to somehow help the grieving, even if it is made up?
Yes.

Are there any psychics on the planet that have been proven as real?
No.

You keep repeating the same questions, AmyW. What is it about the answers you have already been given that is unsatisfactory?
 
...snip...You keep repeating the same questions, AmyW. What is it about the answers you have already been given that is unsatisfactory?

I'm finding that fact interesting and noted that earlier on in this thread. Let's see where this goes......
 
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Sorry guys I've got OCD, it's a very long story. I could go into why... shall I tell you my story...
 
Yes.


No.

You keep repeating the same questions, AmyW. What is it about the answers you have already been given that is unsatisfactory?

Ok, the reason being is a few years ago a used to do divination to try and contact God and ask for signs etc this all revolved around 'God did you create me as academically stupid and unintelligent' and this totally freaked me out. I'll tell you why -
Basically I started writing out prayers a few years ago and asking God to answer me by writing yes and no on two seperate peices of paper, folding them up and throwing them onto the floor and asking God to guide me to which ever one I pick up first as being his answer without knowing where yes and no was. The two questions I asked through this method of divination were 'do you love me' and 'did you create me as academically stupid and unintelligent.' Where it gets complicated is I then wrote out a prayer asking God 'do you only answer me specifically' and I got 12 yes' in a row. When I looked back on the prayers (I always wrote them down and kept them and there was about 3 books worth) the specific prayers were all answered as yes (for the two questions* 'do you love me' and did you create me as academically stupid and unintelligent). I also used to ask God 'if such and such happens e.g 'if the next song on the radio is madonna for example it would mean you are answering my prayer and the answer is yes you are stupid and unintelligent and the song was madonna (totally freaked me out, and there are many more things I predicted as being a sign from God). Another time I had a CD on and said God if the next part skips on a certain part of the song it will mean yes to my question and it actually skipped on that part of the song. Another time I said God if I crash my car it will mean yes to my question and a few days later I had a crash. I know it all sounds irrational and believe me im not overly superstitious but these things have obviously spooked me and there are too many weird coincidences for it to be just a coincidence but maybe that's all it was.

So I went to see a medium seeking help called Brian and he told me that yes there is a possibility that God did answer you.
Hence why I am now trying to debunk all religious beliefs. I then went to see this medium and he made the beliefs more real .... now as you can imagine I have crippling low self worth and esteem and just want to debunk psychics so I can know that what the medium said wasn't the truth
 
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Coincidence is one of those things where what our instincts tell us and what is actually the case are two very different things. When there are literally billions of coincidences which could happen it is certain that some will. There is no way of predicting which, but even billion-to-one coincidences will occur occasionally. Unfortunately few people learn enough maths to come across, let alone fully grasp, the law of truly large numbers.

You may find this article helpful:

http://skepdic.com/lawofnumbers.html
 
Basically I started writing out prayers a few years ago and asking God to answer me by writing yes and no on two seperate peices of paper, folding them up and throwing them onto the floor and asking God to guide me to which ever one I pick up first as being his answer without knowing where yes and no was.


People are amazingly good at fooling themselves. It's possible you subconsciously noticed a difference between the pieces without being aware then went for the yes each time. Things like this are why we designed double-blind tests for instance - because someone say picking people for one treatment or the other would pick someone as they just felt it "balanced them out" or something but would actually be subconsciously stacking the deck. We all do it.


eta: I do not exempt myself from this at all.
 
Ok, the reason being is a few years ago a used to do divination to try and contact God and ask for signs etc this all revolved around 'God did you create me as academically stupid and unintelligent' and this totally freaked me out. I'll tell you why -
Basically I started writing out prayers a few years ago and asking God to answer me by writing yes and no on two seperate peices of paper, folding them up and throwing them onto the floor and asking God to guide me to which ever one I pick up first as being his answer without knowing where yes and no was. The two questions I asked through this method of divination were 'do you love me' and 'did you create me as academically stupid and unintelligent.' Where it gets complicated is I then wrote out a prayer asking God 'do you only answer me specifically' and I got 12 yes' in a row. When I looked back on the prayers (I always wrote them down and kept them and there was about 3 books worth) the specific prayers were all answered as yes (for the two questions* 'do you love me' and did you create me as academically stupid and unintelligent). I also used to ask God 'if such and such happens e.g 'if the next song on the radio is madonna for example it would mean you are answering my prayer and the answer is yes you are stupid and unintelligent and the song was madonna (totally freaked me out, and there are many more things I predicted as being a sign from God). Another time I had a CD on and said God if the next part skips on a certain part of the song it will mean yes to my question and it actually skipped on that part of the song. Another time I said God if I crash my car it will mean yes to my question and a few days later I had a crash. I know it all sounds irrational and believe me im not overly superstitious but these things have obviously spooked me and there are too many weird coincidences for it to be just a coincidence but maybe that's all it was.

So I went to see a medium seeking help called Brian and he told me that yes there is a possibility that God did answer you.
Hence why I am now trying to debunk all religious beliefs. I then went to see this medium and he made the beliefs more real .... now as you can imagine I have crippling low self worth and esteem and just want to debunk psychics so I can know that what the medium said wasn't the truth

This all sounds very familiar to me. I've done quite similar things because of my OCD, and yes, there have been some shockingly accurate coincidences along the way. However, there have also been many "misses." I remember them when I allow myself to really think about it. Once, I flipped a coin 5 times and got "heads" all five times. That is pretty improbable from a statistical perspective, so I felt the answer to my question - I believe it was something medical that time - was surely a resounding yes.

But it wasn't. The thing I was asking about never happened. Other times, with other things, it did. Still other times, I don't really know whether it did or not. People with OCD tend to search for patterns, often to the point that it tortures them. With me, I think I can't always handle the anxiety of all life's unknowns, so I try to invent these rituals to give me some sense of guidance and meaning. It's still a problem I have, but once I managed to separate the rituals from the notion of an all-controlling God, the stakes felt lower. I hope that makes sense?

Here's something else I've thought about that might help. People with OCD and similar conditions do stuff like what you described above a lot. Because we do it so much, because we're always looking for patterns, we're bound to notice more coincidences and "hits" than the average person. It's not because forces are communicating with us. It's because we're always seeking these patterns and answers, so every time a little coincidence happens, we notice it. And every time some kind of life event happens (like a car crash), we already have some meaning ready to be ascribed to it. That's just how our minds work. So it's not that spiritual forces are causing these events. It's just that we notice them because we're always looking.

That was a bit rambly, but I hope it might help.
 
Again you're missing what we're trying to tell you, she didn't know this, it's a general Barnum statement,

I never heard of Barnum statements before so I looked some up. I copy/pasted them into a document and the did an experiment on my family.

I sent these statements in separate texts to my wife, two daughters, two sons, and my son's wife. I told each of them that I showed a medium I knew at work a picture of each of them and asked for a reading based on those pictures. I told each of them to keep what I was doing private until I had all of them done. I incorporated their names into the statements to look like the "medium" was talking about them. I then asked each of them what they thought of the "readings" and how accurate they thought they were. Each one of them was amazed at how accurate the "medium" was in describing them and couldn't believe she was able to could glean such personal information from just a picture.

I then revealed the actual Barnum statements I copied and explained what I had done.

I know. I'm evil.

:D
 

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