How do I know I'm not getting screwed?
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Third time is the charm I hope - seems I'm logged in until I hit submit reply, then message says I'm not.
Well - there are a lot of certificates worth more than the paper they're printed on - from vocational schools, continuing ed depts of colleges and universities, and from universities.
I said "good" science when I should have said, perhaps, standard or peer reviewed and published, of which there is a great deal in nutrition. So far, the only red flag has been the chakra-endocrine, and I've been sitting here going through reams of material and listening to the DVDs I need to see before attending lecture.
The bit of info on the various popular diets (Atkins, Ornish, Hellers, Sears) is actually quite informative, and none are being sold as the golden standard but as compensatory. This is in stark contrast to the Reiki Master I overheard at Barnes & Noble who said it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you feed your head with good thoughts. "Even a diet at 90% sat fat is okay because it is negative thoughts and feelings that will kill you." This is definitely not what the school I registered with is saying, however, I've already dropped the course and will keep looking for a better one.
Well - there are a lot of certificates worth more than the paper they're printed on - from vocational schools, continuing ed depts of colleges and universities, and from universities.
I said "good" science when I should have said, perhaps, standard or peer reviewed and published, of which there is a great deal in nutrition. So far, the only red flag has been the chakra-endocrine, and I've been sitting here going through reams of material and listening to the DVDs I need to see before attending lecture.
The bit of info on the various popular diets (Atkins, Ornish, Hellers, Sears) is actually quite informative, and none are being sold as the golden standard but as compensatory. This is in stark contrast to the Reiki Master I overheard at Barnes & Noble who said it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you feed your head with good thoughts. "Even a diet at 90% sat fat is okay because it is negative thoughts and feelings that will kill you." This is definitely not what the school I registered with is saying, however, I've already dropped the course and will keep looking for a better one.
In fact, the ratio of quantum physicists to everyone else is so small it can be approximated by zero. Logically, this means that anyone you think is a quantum physicist is really just the product of an overactive imagination. This makes it a fair assumption that anyone talking about quantum mechanics is talking crap, whether they are a physicist or not.
Since I actually am a quantum physicist, this means I probably don't exist. If you think you are reading this you must have gone insane at some point and should have yourself commited as soon as possible. Thank you for your cooperation.
Can you be specific?
Good science does, indeed, include peer-reviewed lit. However, when one publishes in quack magazines one's peers are quacks. There is good lit. on nutrition, one needs the ability to identify it.
What does "compensatory" mean? Atkins was a notorious wingnut. Ornish seems more reasonable; but, there is little clinical data that supports him.
Didn't Feynman say that anyone who claims to understand QM is a liar (or a fool- something like that)?
Two other things - re. university accreditation, I'm not sure what the situation is like in the US, but in the UK there's been controversy about what's been accredited. There are accredited degrees in homeopathy, and a woo nutrition institute runs an accredited foundation degree in science.
re. peer reviewed lit, another woo nutritionist trick is to just use the articles that can be (mis)read as supporting your position, and ignore or rubbish the (often more compelling) articles which go against it. Lots of references to peer reviewed literature doesn't necessarily mean that an account of/approach to nutrition is evidence-based.
re. peer reviewed lit, another woo nutritionist trick is to just use the articles that can be (mis)read as supporting your position, and ignore or rubbish the (often more compelling) articles which go against it. Lots of references to peer reviewed literature doesn't necessarily mean that an account of/approach to nutrition is evidence-based.
@jon inre accreditation:
“Accreditation Commission Approves Astrology School”
http://www.csicop.org/list/listarchive/msg00269.html
Quote:
Is the Astrological Institute in Scottsdale, Arizona ... received its new nationwide accreditation from the Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges of Technology (ACCSCT) earlier this month-an apparent first in astrology.[snip] Commenting on the Astrological Institute's accreditation in a recent Associated Press story, Judith Eaton, who heads the Council for Higher Education Accreditation in Washington, DC, said that the accreditation does not validate astrology, but only recognizes that the school fulfills its promises to students.
[Bold added]
Also note that there are accredited schools of naturopathy and chiropractic.
Astrology School
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1128108
“The Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges of Technology has granted accreditation to the Arizona-based Astrological Institute. Students following their stars and hoping for a career in astrology will now be eligible for federal grants -- and a little respect.”
[Bold added] Respect, unwarranted.
“Accreditation Commission Approves Astrology School”
http://www.csicop.org/list/listarchive/msg00269.html
Quote:
Is the Astrological Institute in Scottsdale, Arizona ... received its new nationwide accreditation from the Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges of Technology (ACCSCT) earlier this month-an apparent first in astrology.[snip] Commenting on the Astrological Institute's accreditation in a recent Associated Press story, Judith Eaton, who heads the Council for Higher Education Accreditation in Washington, DC, said that the accreditation does not validate astrology, but only recognizes that the school fulfills its promises to students.
[Bold added]
Also note that there are accredited schools of naturopathy and chiropractic.
Astrology School
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1128108
“The Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges of Technology has granted accreditation to the Arizona-based Astrological Institute. Students following their stars and hoping for a career in astrology will now be eligible for federal grants -- and a little respect.”
[Bold added] Respect, unwarranted.
This program is accredited by the State of Massachusetts Dept. of Education (I've written this before), not an association or self-organized fox-watching-the-hen-house accreditation council like the naturopaths have, nor an association like Council on Higher Education.
(CHEA is an association of 3,000 degree-granting colleges and universities, which also recognizes 60 institutional and programmatic accrediting organizations. Each accreditor is independent, which means the requirements vary from group to group. The association is based in Wash. DC).
There are too many certificate programs and continuing ed programs through colleges and universities and vocational schools. I wouldn't be able to list them all here, nor should I need to. University of Dentistry and Medicine of NJ has several, teaching hospitals have them, for instance, diabetes dietary educator or health education specialist certificates are professional certificates that one does not need to be a registered dietician to take. This is not an unusual program.
The written material on the endocrine system has nothing about chakras. The written stuff is basic A&P of the endocrine system, processes and interrelationships of secreting organs, diseases or symptoms of malfunctioning organs, effects of stress and the different stages of development through the life span.
Compensatory means just that, if an excess of fat is causing, for instance, pancreatitis or something, Ornish's diet would be the one to temporarily use for that particular patient. Ornish's diet program is covered by insurance and Medicare in the US. The instructor is not selling diets, just providing info for potential instruction to patients who might demand an Ornish diet, for instance, who might not be suitable candidates for one.
There is no mention so far of quantum anything. References to QM were made by me when I asked them if that is what they were teaching.
Thanks. You've all been very helpful.
(CHEA is an association of 3,000 degree-granting colleges and universities, which also recognizes 60 institutional and programmatic accrediting organizations. Each accreditor is independent, which means the requirements vary from group to group. The association is based in Wash. DC).
There are too many certificate programs and continuing ed programs through colleges and universities and vocational schools. I wouldn't be able to list them all here, nor should I need to. University of Dentistry and Medicine of NJ has several, teaching hospitals have them, for instance, diabetes dietary educator or health education specialist certificates are professional certificates that one does not need to be a registered dietician to take. This is not an unusual program.
The written material on the endocrine system has nothing about chakras. The written stuff is basic A&P of the endocrine system, processes and interrelationships of secreting organs, diseases or symptoms of malfunctioning organs, effects of stress and the different stages of development through the life span.
Compensatory means just that, if an excess of fat is causing, for instance, pancreatitis or something, Ornish's diet would be the one to temporarily use for that particular patient. Ornish's diet program is covered by insurance and Medicare in the US. The instructor is not selling diets, just providing info for potential instruction to patients who might demand an Ornish diet, for instance, who might not be suitable candidates for one.
There is no mention so far of quantum anything. References to QM were made by me when I asked them if that is what they were teaching.
Thanks. You've all been very helpful.
To answer my own question, How do I know if I'm getting screwed? After researching other university and college certificate programs, it looks like there is an awful lot of "woo" being thrown into the curricula out there (I think I know more than I gave myself credit for). That might actually be a good thing because so many people believe what they read in a magazine and there usually is a long story behind the "facts" as they appear in a rag. Quantum physics shouldn't come up in a nutrition educator program, and if it does, the program, IMO, should be avoided. So far, it hasn't with this program. That being said, I'm still not going to continue because it is more than I need for my job, for now, so I will take a few of the individual classes and fill in where I need them, and continue to read up on "woo" so I can steer my clients clear of it.
Thanks for the replies.
Thanks for the replies.
The Great Hairy One
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Any time, Bonnie, happy to help. 
That's what the forum is here for.
Cheers,
TGHO
That's what the forum is here for.Cheers,
TGHO