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How did you rule out that 911 was an inside job?

While Al-Qaeda might be influenced by the CIA in 9/11 (I won't firmly rule that out yet), it's certainly a VERY REAL terror organization, responsible for acts of terror before and after 9/11.

Max, if you don't realize this, I'm sorry - you're just plain ignorant.

As to how I ruled out 9/11 being an inside job: the key thing for me were the hundreds of eye witnesses that watched plains fly into the towers, and watching the second plane hit live on the news.

Too hard to fake, and no motivation to do otherwise.
 
I've not ruled out that 9/11 was an inside job.
I just haven't seen any evidence that it was an inside job. Every inside job conspiracy theory that has been put forth thus far, has imploded in on itself from the underwhelming weight of the evidence, and plummeted back to earth at faster-than-freefall speed.
 
GStan said:
I've not ruled out that 9/11 was an inside job.
I just haven't seen any evidence that it was an inside job. Every inside job conspiracy theory that has been put forth thus far, has imploded in on itself from the underwhelming weight of the evidence, and plummeted back to earth at faster-than-freefall speed.
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I also haven't 'ruled out' an inside job, I'm just going where the evidence and--since I'm a layman--the opinion of the majority of relevant experts go.

I also haven't ruled out pissed-off pixies either.

If some compelling evidence for an inside job (or pixieis) was presented, or a crap-load of folks with relevant expertise whom I trust were to come out against the official story, then perhaps I'd need to re-evaluate.

It's really not that complicated; I often wonder why truthers don't seem to understand it.
 
The fact that all the supposed evidence that it was an inside job takes the form of dramatic music videos made by college kids.
Also that fact that if it is an inside job, to what ends would the perpetrator do this? It makes no sense.
 
How Could 9/11 Not Be an Inside Job?

Unimpeached, Emeritus Professor of Logic, PhD David Ray Griffin's heuristic "The New Pearl Harbor" presents the written proof of Bush/Cheney's 9/11 treason, for every true American to confront and reconcile.

That the draft-dodging, Closet-Queen-in-Chief's then-VP father, when asked by a credentialled journalist, was "unable to recall" his whereabouts upon learning of John Kennedy's assassination by the Knight of Malta-led, Roman Catholic CIA (Jury judgment: "Hunt v. Liberty Lobby," Fed Dist Ct, So. Florida, 1985) to reverse NSAM263's Vietnam withdrawal order and to restore the Vatican's correspondent bankers of the Fed to control of our money supply, though FBI memos put him: on the phone to the FBI from his home in Tyler, 100 miles from Dallas, on the subject, 75 minutes after the CIA's assassination; and, a week later, from the desk of J.Edgar Hoover, in the CIA, gives W's faction requisite historical "moment" for The People to conclude trans-generational false-elite perfidy.

His grandfather's role in the finance of Hitler and the Holocaust cements the obvious conclusion - Google "Prescott Thyssen Auschwitz." Inarguable Rockefeller/Saudi alliances place the Bush family squarely in Vatican/CFR/CIA Roman Catholic/Knights of Malta "Big Oil" affiliations, and the fact that only the Roman Catholics of the SCOTUS voted in patently unconstitutional "Bush v. Gore" to stop the Florida recount confirms Bush's 2000 Al Smith Dinner claim that Rome's Fifth Column "Haves, and Have-mores" are, in fact, his "base."

Restoration of Afghanistan's heroin trade through Dubai, promotion of illegal Hispanic/Roman Catholic immigration, and the false for-profit war, killing thousands of our finest and hundreds of thousands of other innocents proves, too, that Whig America's Founder and Prophet, Thomas Jefferson, was exactly correct when he told us that Rome is "the real Anti-Christ." Pathetic no-man Bush and his cabal of co-pervert traitors are merely fronting for the Anti-Christ and its American agent, Rockefeller, as did his father and grandfather before him. Many myrmidons serve in their phalanx...wishing to argue, and murder for, the inarguable.

Bush did 9/11. He, Cheney, and their closest hundred, or thousand accomplices, must be tried, convicted and hanged for treason that Annuit Coeptis again prevail, with The People, in Our Land. Rome and its Fifth Column must be fully expropriated and banished, or executed, as the Law and the People require.

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

and,

To Samuel Kercheval Monticello, January 19, 1810

SIR, — Yours of the 7th instant has been duly received, with the pamphlet inclosed, for which I return you my thanks. Nothing can be more exactly and seriously true than what is there stated; that but a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandising their oppressors in Church and State; that the purest system of morals ever before preached to man, has been adulterated and sophisticated by artificial constructions, into a mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves; that rational men not being able to swallow their impious heresies, in order to force them down their throats, they raise the hue and cry of infidelity, while themselves are the greatest obstacles to the advancement of the real doctrines of Jesus, and do in fact constitute the real Anti-Christ.

---

Let us save America. Trust the Mottoes. Follow our Prophets, Jefferson and King. Probity, Economy, Justice.

Death for Treason.
 
Your first sentence is wrong. Not a good start. It goes downhill from there.

Welcome to the forum.:)
 
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A wolf in sheep's clothing?

Welcome iAmerican.


The Doc, it was my 700th post, so I thought I'd have a little fun.


Back to the OP...

Most of you who support the 19-Hijacker Conspiracy Hypothesis take the word of the US Government (or the word of those who get funding - directly or indirectly - from the government) at face value.

But if 911 were an inside job, then your primary information source is corrupted.

Do you account for this possibility?
 
Max Photon said:
Most of you who support the 19-Hijacker Conspiracy Hypothesis take the word of the US Government (or the word of those who get funding - directly or indirectly - from the government) at face value.
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If you believe that to be the only source of information, then you have done very little research into the event.
 
iAmerican said:
Unimpeached, Emeritus Professor of Logic, PhD David Ray Griffin's heuristic "The New Pearl Harbor" presents the written proof of Bush/Cheney's 9/11 treason, for every true American to confront and reconcile.

That the draft-dodging, Closet-Queen-in-Chief's then-VP father, when asked by a credentialled journalist, was "unable to recall" his whereabouts upon learning of John Kennedy's assassination by the Knight of Malta-led, Roman Catholic CIA (Jury judgment: "Hunt v. Liberty Lobby," Fed Dist Ct, So. Florida, 1985) to reverse NSAM263's Vietnam withdrawal order and to restore the Vatican's correspondent bankers of the Fed to control of our money supply, though FBI memos put him: on the phone to the FBI from his home in Tyler, 100 miles from Dallas, on the subject, 75 minutes after the CIA's assassination; and, a week later, from the desk of J.Edgar Hoover, in the CIA, gives W's faction requisite historical "moment" for The People to conclude trans-generational false-elite perfidy.

His grandfather's role in the finance of Hitler and the Holocaust cements the obvious conclusion - Google "Prescott Thyssen Auschwitz." Inarguable Rockefeller/Saudi alliances place the Bush family squarely in Vatican/CFR/CIA Roman Catholic/Knights of Malta "Big Oil" affiliations, and the fact that only the Roman Catholics of the SCOTUS voted in patently unconstitutional "Bush v. Gore" to stop the Florida recount confirms Bush's 2000 Al Smith Dinner claim that Rome's Fifth Column "Haves, and Have-mores" are, in fact, his "base."

Restoration of Afghanistan's heroin trade through Dubai, promotion of illegal Hispanic/Roman Catholic immigration, and the false for-profit war, killing thousands of our finest and hundreds of thousands of other innocents proves, too, that Whig America's Founder and Prophet, Thomas Jefferson, was exactly correct when he told us that Rome is "the real Anti-Christ." Pathetic no-man Bush and his cabal of co-pervert traitors are merely fronting for the Anti-Christ and its American agent, Rockefeller, as did his father and grandfather before him. Many myrmidons serve in their phalanx...wishing to argue, and murder for, the inarguable.

Bush did 9/11. He, Cheney, and their closest hundred, or thousand accomplices, must be tried, convicted and hanged for treason that Annuit Coeptis again prevail, with The People, in Our Land. Rome and its Fifth Column must be fully expropriated and banished, or executed, as the Law and the People require.

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

and,

To Samuel Kercheval Monticello, January 19, 1810

SIR, — Yours of the 7th instant has been duly received, with the pamphlet inclosed, for which I return you my thanks. Nothing can be more exactly and seriously true than what is there stated; that but a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandising their oppressors in Church and State; that the purest system of morals ever before preached to man, has been adulterated and sophisticated by artificial constructions, into a mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves; that rational men not being able to swallow their impious heresies, in order to force them down their throats, they raise the hue and cry of infidelity, while themselves are the greatest obstacles to the advancement of the real doctrines of Jesus, and do in fact constitute the real Anti-Christ.

---

Let us save America. Trust the Mottoes. Follow our Prophets, Jefferson and King. Probity, Economy, Justice.

Death for Treason.
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Your parody of a brain-dead conspiracy liar is amusing, but you should realize that many real ones are even dumber, crazier, and more ignorant than your caricature.
 
iAmerican said:
Unimpeached, Emeritus Professor of Logic, PhD David Ray Griffin's heuristic "The New Pearl Harbor" presents the written proof of Bush/Cheney's 9/11 treason, for every true American to confront and reconcile.

That the draft-dodging, Closet-Queen-in-Chief's then-VP father, when asked by a credentialled journalist, was "unable to recall" his whereabouts upon learning of John Kennedy's assassination by the Knight of Malta-led, Roman Catholic CIA (Jury judgment: "Hunt v. Liberty Lobby," Fed Dist Ct, So. Florida, 1985) to reverse NSAM263's Vietnam withdrawal order and to restore the Vatican's correspondent bankers of the Fed to control of our money supply, though FBI memos put him: on the phone to the FBI from his home in Tyler, 100 miles from Dallas, on the subject, 75 minutes after the CIA's assassination; and, a week later, from the desk of J.Edgar Hoover, in the CIA, gives W's faction requisite historical "moment" for The People to conclude trans-generational false-elite perfidy.

His grandfather's role in the finance of Hitler and the Holocaust cements the obvious conclusion - Google "Prescott Thyssen Auschwitz." Inarguable Rockefeller/Saudi alliances place the Bush family squarely in Vatican/CFR/CIA Roman Catholic/Knights of Malta "Big Oil" affiliations, and the fact that only the Roman Catholics of the SCOTUS voted in patently unconstitutional "Bush v. Gore" to stop the Florida recount confirms Bush's 2000 Al Smith Dinner claim that Rome's Fifth Column "Haves, and Have-mores" are, in fact, his "base."

Restoration of Afghanistan's heroin trade through Dubai, promotion of illegal Hispanic/Roman Catholic immigration, and the false for-profit war, killing thousands of our finest and hundreds of thousands of other innocents proves, too, that Whig America's Founder and Prophet, Thomas Jefferson, was exactly correct when he told us that Rome is "the real Anti-Christ." Pathetic no-man Bush and his cabal of co-pervert traitors are merely fronting for the Anti-Christ and its American agent, Rockefeller, as did his father and grandfather before him. Many myrmidons serve in their phalanx...wishing to argue, and murder for, the inarguable.

Bush did 9/11. He, Cheney, and their closest hundred, or thousand accomplices, must be tried, convicted and hanged for treason that Annuit Coeptis again prevail, with The People, in Our Land. Rome and its Fifth Column must be fully expropriated and banished, or executed, as the Law and the People require.

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their money, first by inflation and then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them, will deprive the people of their property until their children will wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered."

and,

To Samuel Kercheval Monticello, January 19, 1810

SIR, — Yours of the 7th instant has been duly received, with the pamphlet inclosed, for which I return you my thanks. Nothing can be more exactly and seriously true than what is there stated; that but a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion, before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants, and perverted into an engine for enslaving mankind, and aggrandising their oppressors in Church and State; that the purest system of morals ever before preached to man, has been adulterated and sophisticated by artificial constructions, into a mere contrivance to filch wealth and power to themselves; that rational men not being able to swallow their impious heresies, in order to force them down their throats, they raise the hue and cry of infidelity, while themselves are the greatest obstacles to the advancement of the real doctrines of Jesus, and do in fact constitute the real Anti-Christ.

---

Let us save America. Trust the Mottoes. Follow our Prophets, Jefferson and King. Probity, Economy, Justice.

Death for Treason.
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How scary is it when you can never tell for certain if they're serious?
 
Max Photon said:
Welcome iAmerican.


The Doc, it was my 700th post, so I thought I'd have a little fun.


Back to the OP...

Most of you who support the 19-Hijacker Conspiracy Hypothesis take the word of the US Government (or the word of those who get funding - directly or indirectly - from the government) at face value.

But if 911 were an inside job, then your primary information source is corrupted.

Do you account for this possibility?
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Max, one of the reasons you misuse common words is that you're, well, not terribly bright. I can't help thinking that you use the term "conspiracy" intentionally in describing the jihadists who attacked America on 9/11/01. The men who hijacked planes and flew them into buildings were Holy Warriors striking at their avowed enemy. They were as much a conspiracy as the Allied troops who stormed ashore at Normandy on June 6, 1944. Why do you fail to comprehend such an obvious point, apart from the obvious reason?
 
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Well with no hard evidence that the gov't did it, and ever changing stances of conspiracists(Avery recently said now he believes that Bush was left in the dark), hoe could we believe that it was an insidejob? UBL has confessed to the crimes time and again, no evidence or explosive remains at any WTC site, remains of a 757 found at the Pentagon AND Shankesville.

Numerous eye witnesses claiming to see two planes hit the towers(obviously toward the no planers out there).

The evidence against conspiracy is overwhelming. The evidence FOR conspiracy is non-existant because it's all speculation and assumtion.

That a good enough answer Max?
 
Max Photon said:
Welcome iAmerican.


The Doc, it was my 700th post, so I thought I'd have a little fun.


Back to the OP...

Most of you who support the 19-Hijacker Conspiracy Hypothesis take the word of the US Government (or the word of those who get funding - directly or indirectly - from the government) at face value.

But if 911 were an inside job, then your primary information source is corrupted.

Do you account for this possibility?
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Yeah but, IT ISN'T A CONSPIRACY!

Have you ever thought that your sources are from loony toons that have no idea what they're talking about, quote mine, and blantantly lie to peoples faces? The Jones boys, Louder Than Words, We Are Change, the Pentacon boys, DRG, The Waterboy(Ryan) just to name a few, are all guilty of these offenses.

Isn't it just a little troubling that twoofers gather only one day a week for three hours at Ground Zero to "spread the truth"? If I were sitting on this "truthful" information and had actual hard facts to back it up, I think I'd be out there more than three hours a week.

A shame they weren't out there last Sunday...I was ready to argue, Was in a bad mood from the long drive and the gloomy wet weather. But alas, twoofers have zero dedication and just do it to give themselves attention. Simple sickening to my stomach.
 
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