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How did things get this bad?

(one woman insisted Obama was "an Arab").
Indeed very confusing. If blacks are now Arabs, what are Arabs? Blacks? Something else? Or are blacks and Arabs now the same, but only if they're Muslims? In such a case, what about an Arab who's not a Muslim, is he black?

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kidnap your sisters, bomb your uncle and flee the country.

you can hide at my place. We have good education
 
I don't think it's always been this bad, but I think it has been before, probably many times. In '68 it was similar, people burning Nixon in effigy, others telling us to leave the country if we didn't support the war. I remember after the Kent State shootings, one of the parents of the dead was interviewed, and said that those kids deserved to die for being part of the anti-war rally. His own kid.

I think it was not nearly so bad for a while after that, but here we go again...
 
Tough call. There is nothing you can say to change his mind. On the other hand, you can show the weakness of his position by asking if he, like any God-fearing Christian, has donated all his money and all his time to McCain in an effort to prevent the anti-Christ from taking over America.

If I were in your position, the only other thing I would try is to let the sisters know that if they get into trouble and are afraid to ask their other relatives for help, they can turn to you.

I will agree that it seems worse now than in the past. Even though the past was pretty bad. E.g. people claiming that Kennedy (the first Catholic to run for president) would be a puppet of the Pope.

As for hoping that it gets better, remember that we are still within living memory of a time when washrooms, drinking fountains, and trains were racially segregated - so expecting pinheads to give up their racism here in the 21st century may be too much.
 
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I’m not sure if this is appropriate for the religion and philosophy forum. So if it doesn’t I apologize in advance.

Now, I won’t bother any of you by getting into the specifics of the ranting and raving, all from family members staying in MY home, I listened to last night. But I think I’ll simply deliver a few of the more important details of the utter insanity I listened to last night.

-- Barack Obama is the anti-Christ/a Muslim/a Muslim terrorist/a racist/going to kill us all/only cares about you if you have nine babies and is going to make us all bankrupt and give our money to people with nine babies (no joke).
-- My 16 year old cousin thinks it’s a good idea to crucify Obama, Biden, Michelle Obama, and myself and my father for daring to vote for Barack Obama.
-- The $700 billion bail-out is a liberal conspiracy led by Barack Obama. Seeing as how he is the anti-Christ, he needs control of the banks first so he can take control of the entire world.
-- His middle-name is Hussein, proving he’s a terrorist.
-- My two very young sisters (11 and 8) have been convinced by members of my family that if Barack Obama is elected president they are going to die.
-- Barack Obama is a typical “n*****”
-- The Democrats, and the Democrats alone, are responsible for the economic crisis in a ploy to get Obama elected president.
-- Abortions are sacrifices to Obama (no joke).
-- Barack Obama is black and therefore unqualified to hold any political office.
-- Barack Obama being the anti-Christ is biblical, but don’t ask for the specific scripture it just is.

Now, I’ve known most of my family drank the kool-aid of the very far right a very long time ago. And as most of you may have guessed I’m most angry with my cousin who stated, in all seriousness, that he would like to have me and my father crucified for voting for Obama. I was also deeply angered when my uncle, who has physically assaulted my when I was still a minor, threatened me with violence when I disagreed with him. And of course, I’m also very upset that they have my two very young sisters whipped up into a state of total panic. Especially since they’re all in a state of grieving now having come to the conclusion that McCain will lose the election and thus essentially telling my two sisters they WILL die. It was just after my uncle threatened me that I threatened to call the police if they didn’t leave my house. As they left I also informed most of them that they are no longer welcome in my home.

I’m telling you all this because I want to ask a question and I think it’s necessary to highlight just how much this has affected me. I believe this election has gotten drastically out of hand and in the next few weeks I fear it’s only going to get worse. I especially fear the frenzy some of the people who are as bad as certain members of family may be whipped into assuming Obama will win the presidency.

How exactly did things get this bad? Now I’m very young, 20, so I have no idea if things have always been this bad. Why is it that certain people are incapable of having a civil discussion about politics and the presidential campaign? I don’t expect to change any minds either, the people I’m talking about have huge emotional investment in the election and in the case of my two young sisters who, assuming Obama wins this election, will spend the next 4-8 years fearing that their president intends to cause them physical harm. I hate to say it but my sisters have been indoctrinated rather well, and nothing will convince them otherwise; especially since it’s our mother telling them these things.

Does anybody have any advice? I don’t want to sever ties with my family but this election, and also my admitted atheism, has driven a wedge between us I don’t think we can overcome.

I have said some of the same things about Obama so I'll apologize if I offend you in these beliefs. The fact is you need to realize people are like the company they keep and Obama's track record is HORRIBLE! I'm sorry but I do believe his cousin in Kenya and he are plotting something more than we could even conteplaint.

The problem is clearly EVIL! Men are evil full of sin because we are born with a fallen nature.The thing I have a hard time with is why people are so blinded by their sin. We have all been born into a fallen world and unless we accept Christ there is no hope. I see Obama as a son of perdition because of his backround and his connections.

I would just suggest we all get on our knees with God to save us.The scriptures are clear that in the last days many mockers would come and evil would grow. Soon they will forbid people to get married and that's totally evil. God ordained marriage,one man, one woman. I say we keep it right with him.

I am a native California girl and am appauled at the legalization of gay marriage. I can't help but notice how the state has been fighting fires ever since they passed that law. I just pray it will be overturned or everyone in my state will suffer for it.

There is plenty of proof that God is and He does act against evil. He will have his time in everyones life dealing with sin. If he hasn't convicted each one of us of our sins then we have an even bigger problem because he has just left us. I know first hand about being chastised and I know it's because my Heavenly Father loves me. We either accept Jesus's authority or we rebel and deny the one truth that sets us sinners free.

As for Obama, he is a sinner like everyone else and as far as I can see he still needs a Savior, then I might trust him because he would be a spirit filled leader. As for McCain I think he's more real than Obama so he's got me and my hubby's vote. The fact that he is pro life won me over. How the heck did the media surpress that important bit of info?

God help us all see the truth that we have sinned against a Holy God and his Son is real and can set us sinners free. I myself like the reassurance of knowing when I meet my maker when he asks me why I think I deserve to enter heaven?, all that will stand is the true test ...I accepted your son and I know Jesus died to redeem me from my sins. Now that's the good news!!

This world is nearing it's end my friend and all evil unrepented sinners without Christ will be condemnded, I suggest you don't let that happen to you! Blessings.... Kathy
 
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Actually, I think things are getting better. We just like to think they're getting worse so we feel slightly superior to those around us, as if we ourselves would feel more at home with smarter people. Not dissing anyone because I do it too, always telling younger people how we were so much better in the 60's and 70's.
 
This goes on all over the world. The U.S. is not immune.
While I'm not trying to deny that this goes on all over the world, it seems to me that it is more... virulent in the US. Maybe it's just reported more from the US. I dunno.

I am a native California girl and am appauled at the legalization of gay marriage. I can't help but notice how the state has been fighting fires ever since they passed that law.
California is burning because gays are people too? This is a new low for you, Kathy. :bwall
 
This world is nearing it's end my friend and all evil unrepented sinners without Christ will be condemnded, I suggest you don't let that happen to you! Blessings.... Kathy

I'm curious how you know this, who told you? What evidence do you have? Can't you just let your world end around you, and leave me and my world alone? I happen to be pretty happy and I have no need to even invoke the notion of "sin". You have bought into a world of sadness and delusion, and some of us just don't want any part of that lie.

Have a nice day.:)
 
Can't blame them for their paranoia, though.
Why not? They are the citizens of a democracy. That makes them the people responsible - whether they are responsible people or not.
Oh, I blame them for their belief in the Rapture, all right. I meant my post as a joke (a play of words, using 'raptor' instead of 'rapture'), saying that if I ended up (irrationally) believing in the Rapture, I'd be scared too.

I am a native California girl and am appauled at the legalization of gay marriage. I can't help but notice how the state has been fighting fires ever since they passed that law. I just pray it will be overturned or everyone in my state will suffer for it.
Pardon the OT Godwin, but why is it that when Hitler massacred gays, it meant hitler was bad, but when God terrorizes gays, it means 'he's acting against evil' and gays are bad:confused:? Why is it that so many Christians have this battered spouse syndrome when it comes to their deity?

Is God wrong or was Hitler right? You can't have it both ways.

The scriptures are clear that in the last days many mockers would come
Only in the last days? That's like me announcing that in the last days, politicians will lie and water will be wet. People have always scoffed at Christianity, Kathy. What you see today in the US is nothing new, nor particularly severe compared to earlier events. Oh, and Jesus was pretty clear that He would return and bring about the 'Rapture' before the people who lived at the time would die. 2000 years overdue, He is - so much for honesty.

and evil would grow.
Again, the US isn't exactly a hellhole of evil and horror compared to many other places in many other times.
 
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I have said some of the same things about Obama so I'll apologize if I offend you in these beliefs. The fact is you need to realize people are like the company they keep and Obama's track record is HORRIBLE! I'm sorry but I do believe his cousin in Kenya and he are plotting something more than we could even conteplaint.

The problem is clearly EVIL! Men are evil full of sin because we are born with a fallen nature.The thing I have a hard time with is why people are so blinded by their sin. We have all been born into a fallen world and unless we accept Christ there is no hope. I see Obama as a son of perdition because of his backround and his connections.

I would just suggest we all get on our knees with God to save us.The scriptures are clear that in the last days many mockers would come and evil would grow. Soon they will forbid people to get married and that's totally evil. God ordained marriage,one man, one woman. I say we keep it right with him.

I am a native California girl and am appauled at the legalization of gay marriage. I can't help but notice how the state has been fighting fires ever since they passed that law. I just pray it will be overturned or everyone in my state will suffer for it.

There is plenty of proof that God is and He does act against evil. He will have his time in everyones life dealing with sin. If he hasn't convicted each one of us of our sins then we have an even bigger problem because he has just left us. I know first hand about being chastised and I know it's because my Heavenly Father loves me. We either accept Jesus's authority or we rebel and deny the one truth that sets us sinners free.

As for Obama, he is a sinner like everyone else and as far as I can see he still needs a Savior, then I might trust him because he would be a spirit filled leader. As for McCain I think he's more real than Obama so he's got me and my hubby's vote. The fact that he is pro life won me over. How the heck did the media surpress that important bit of info?

God help us all see the truth that we have sinned against a Holy God and his Son is real and can set us sinners free. I myself like the reassurance of knowing when I meet my maker when he asks me why I think I deserve to enter heaven?, all that will stand is the true test ...I accepted your son and I know Jesus died to redeem me from my sins. Now that's the good news!!

This world is nearing it's end my friend and all evil unrepented sinners without Christ will be condemnded, I suggest you don't let that happen to you! Blessings.... Kathy

I understand that the other presidential candidate spent at lot of time (years even) with a bunch of Communists? Is this true?

Can you say "Manchurian Candidate"?

It saddens me considerably that there are people on this planet who provide any credence to such idiocy.

May the IPU (bless Her Name) pee on you too.
 
I have said some of the same things about Obama so I'll apologize if I offend you in these beliefs. The fact is you need to realize people are like the company they keep and Obama's track record is HORRIBLE! I'm sorry but I do believe his cousin in Kenya and he are plotting something more than we could even conteplaint.

The problem is clearly EVIL! Men are evil full of sin because we are born with a fallen nature.The thing I have a hard time with is why people are so blinded by their sin. We have all been born into a fallen world and unless we accept Christ there is no hope. I see Obama as a son of perdition because of his backround and his connections.

I would just suggest we all get on our knees with God to save us.The scriptures are clear that in the last days many mockers would come and evil would grow. Soon they will forbid people to get married and that's totally evil. God ordained marriage,one man, one woman. I say we keep it right with him.

I am a native California girl and am appauled at the legalization of gay marriage. I can't help but notice how the state has been fighting fires ever since they passed that law. I just pray it will be overturned or everyone in my state will suffer for it.

There is plenty of proof that God is and He does act against evil. He will have his time in everyones life dealing with sin. If he hasn't convicted each one of us of our sins then we have an even bigger problem because he has just left us. I know first hand about being chastised and I know it's because my Heavenly Father loves me. We either accept Jesus's authority or we rebel and deny the one truth that sets us sinners free.

As for Obama, he is a sinner like everyone else and as far as I can see he still needs a Savior, then I might trust him because he would be a spirit filled leader. As for McCain I think he's more real than Obama so he's got me and my hubby's vote. The fact that he is pro life won me over. How the heck did the media surpress that important bit of info?

God help us all see the truth that we have sinned against a Holy God and his Son is real and can set us sinners free. I myself like the reassurance of knowing when I meet my maker when he asks me why I think I deserve to enter heaven?, all that will stand is the true test ...I accepted your son and I know Jesus died to redeem me from my sins. Now that's the good news!!

This world is nearing it's end my friend and all evil unrepented sinners without Christ will be condemnded, I suggest you don't let that happen to you! Blessings.... Kathy

Wait.

Last time I checked, Obama is a Christian, and there is no evidence that implies that he is NOT a Christian. If he is a Christian, who accepts Jesus as his savior, why would he need another savior?

The issue of homosexuality:

Their are "Good" Christians who believe homosexuality is not forbidden or at least not the "ultimate" sin. Both sides of Christianity have their own Biblical "evidence" or "proof" that the opposing side is wrong. The issue of homosexuality shows a great hypocrisy from both sides by the name calling and the various other methods of defaming each other, all in the name of God.

Also, provide the proof that the world is nearing its end, from the Bible or from anything else.

On the issue of your family believing that end is near or that Obama is the anti-christ...

A Christian perspective:

Tell them to actually READ the Bible thoroughly, instead of listening to what apocalyptic preachers tell them whats in the Bible. 90 percent of the time, apocalyptic preachers who deal with the rapture, anti-christ, and so on, do not do extensive research on the topic. Christian eschatology is the essence of complexity and majority of the futurist teachings are un-biblical in the first place.

Where in the Bible does it say "Obama shall be the anti-christ".

The whole futurist apocalypse thing is beginning to bug me. They spew claims which have no true biblical back up and claim that we shall all raptured into Heaven while un-believers suffer in Hell. Why would any follower of Christ, who must love and not judge, literally WANT people to burn in "Hell".
 
Why would any follower of Christ, who must love and not judge, literally WANT people to burn in "Hell".
For the same reason there were citizens of East Germany who wanted people to 'disappear' and be sent to work camps, I suppose.
 
For the same reason there were citizens of East Germany who wanted people to 'disappear' and be sent to work camps, I suppose.

Hiding behind religion to express their unrighteous bigotry and rage?

I'm guessing this is why atheists and other non-Christians think were all irrational, hypocritical, nincompoops. (Were not ALL like this... well maybe some of us...)
 
Wait.

Last time I checked, Obama is a Christian, and there is no evidence that implies that he is NOT a Christian. If he is a Christian, who accepts Jesus as his savior, why would he need another savior?

Quoted for relevance.

Of course when KK says "I have said some of the same things about Obama," I suppose it is possible that she is referring to assertion that Obama is a secret Muslim. KK, please tell us that you are not so out of touch with reality to believe that Obama is either the anti-Christ or a Muslim.

Soon they will forbid people to get married and that's totally evil.

They will forbid marriage?! WTF are you talking about?


I am a native California girl and am appauled at the legalization of gay marriage. I can't help but notice how the state has been fighting fires ever since they passed that law. I just pray it will be overturned or everyone in my state will suffer for it.

Have you ever read the Bible KK? Scriptures clearly and unambiguously state that idolatry and blasphemy are by far the most serious sins. They go well beyond any admonition to eschew gay sex. Why don't you California Christians try to outlaw idolatry with the same fervor that you try to outlaw homosexuality? The number of idolaters in California must be several times the number of homosexuals. Or better yet, why don't you Christians mind your own business and stop trying to legislate Christianity. We are not a Christian nation nor should we try to be.
 
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Don't feed the Kurious Troll.

Regarding the OP, I think there have always been people like your family around, but we are at one of those periods in American history where some politicians are courting them more than usual, and as a result they are more visible than usual.
 
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As for McCain I think he's more real than Obama so he's got me and my hubby's vote. The fact that he is pro life won me over. How the heck did the media surpress that important bit of info?
Nobody's been suppressing it. Everyone knows where McCain stands on abortion; it's just that most Americans are pro-choice, like Obama.
 
I am a native California girl and am appauled at the legalization of gay marriage. I can't help but notice how the state has been fighting fires ever since they passed that law. I just pray it will be overturned or everyone in my state will suffer for it.
So your wonderful, kind, gentle, loving god is punishing everyone in the state for the decision of a few? Wow, what a guy! After all, no kind and loving god would want all of his children to be treated equally, would he?

It must be weird to live in a world where you see everything as some sort of reaction or response by an invisible man in the sky. When there are floods or hurricanes or earthquakes in places without gay marriage, how do you explain them? Or how do you explain when entire countries, like Canada, allow gay marriage, and they haven't been destroyed by avalanches or something?
 

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