How did Kennedy Know...

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JFK was stated to have known that participating in WW2 was an important thing in his era...

First of all, was he already in politics?
Second of all, was he ALREADY planning in politics?

And how did he know since the war just started?

And what year did he join the Navy?

Can somebody answer me this?

-INRM
 
The war went on long enough to for someone to make those statements and not have them see prophetic. Didn't he serve in the pacific campaign?
 
Jack Kennedy was a PT-boat skipper in the Pacific islands and was decorated in action for valour. However he WAS born into a "political" family - his dad was a right political schemer - and must have developed political awareness and acumen from a very early age.

Zep
 
By the time the US entered the war, it was known to be one of the biggest political/social upheavals ever. A lot of young men felt like they were part of history. No prophecy was required.
 
INRM said:
JFK was stated to have known that participating in WW2 was an important thing in his era...

First of all, was he already in politics?
Second of all, was he ALREADY planning in politics?

And how did he know since the war just started?

And what year did he join the Navy?

Can somebody answer me this?

-INRM
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JFK's father, Joseph Kennedy was the US Ambassador to Great Britain prior to the War. He and Churchill helped bring Hitler to power, along with many others. These were all anti-Socilaist/ anti-Semitic people who were cooperating with Hitler in the attack on Bolshevik Jews.

From my paper:

In 1940 John F. Kennedy wrote of the 1930s stating:

"During this period, the fear of Communism, not of Nazism, was the great British bogey. Germany, under Hitler, with its early program of vigorous opposition to Communism, was looked on as a bulwark against the spread of the doctrine through Europe."

Kennedy was aware of this view because his father Joseph Kennedy was the American Ambassador to Britain and shared the British sentiment, along with many other British and Americans, who all helped the fascists to power prior to the start of World War II.

Winston Churchill also gave support to the Nazis and other fascists prior to the outbreak of World War II. This was for the same reason that some Americans did, because they were anti-communist and anti-Semitic, and viewed the Socialist Revolution as a global Jewish conspiracy. In 1920 Winston Churchill wrote Zionism versus Bolshevism, which was an attack on international liberalism and its ties to the Jewish community. Out of these anti-liberal views and misconceptions about some of the objectives of social revolution anti-Semitism grew in the west and helped to support Hitler and the Nazis in their buildup of the Nazi Empire.

Zionism and Bolshevism can be seen here:

http://www.fpp.co.uk/bookchapters/WSC/WSCwrote1920.html
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The Kennedys were some of the many Democrats that came to power after WWII, replacing the old Communist sympathisers like FDR and Henry Wallace with a new vanguard of anti-Socialist "liberals".

Once in office he saw that many of the things they were trying to do were just plain crazy and out of control, so he opposed them, the CIA, Pentagon, Joint Chiefs of Staff, mafia. That's why he was assissinated, he was not cooperating with the anti-Communist agenda to the degree that these groups wanted, and they were a very paranoid bunch with a lot of power.
 
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Malachi151 said:
That's why he was assissinated, he was not cooperating with the anti-Communist agenda to the degree that these groups wanted, and they were a very paranoid bunch with a lot of power.
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There is some value in NOT looking like a nut-job. If you have extreme (anything far from center) political views and would enjoy if some other folks shared your political views, then not looking like a nut-job would be beneficial.

Some advice for looking like less of a nut-job follows.

When you are about to make a clearly ridiculous statement qualify it with:

“I have been led to believe...”

“It is my opinion that…”

“I think that the evidence implies that…”

If you are unable determine a “clearly ridiculous statement” then I suggest you run your opinions by your nearest sane individual. They can be described as folks not living in a cabin alone in the woods, they have a job, they are generally content with their daily lives and they do not see conspiracy as a major contributor to the state of the world.
 
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no one in particular said:
There is some value in NOT looking like a nut-job. If you have extreme (anything far from center) political views and would enjoy if some other folks shared your political views, then not looking like a nut-job would be beneficial.

Some advice for looking like less of a nut-job follows.

When you are about to make a clearly ridiculous statement qualify it with:

“I have been led to believe...”

“It is my opinion that…”

“I think that the evidence implies that…”

If you are unable determine a “clearly ridiculous statement” then I suggest you run your opinions by your nearest sane individual. They can be described as folks not living in a cabin alone in the woods, they have a job, they are generally content with their daily lives and they do not see conspiracy as a major contributor to the state of the world.
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So I'm at fault because other people are uneducated? I don't think so. Some of the info backing this up is in the paper linked in my sig, its there if you want to read it.
 
Rather than prophetic, he may have just guessed, and been lucky. It has been known to happen.

However, I don't see any reason to suspect that he participated in the war simply to further his political ambitions. As hard to believe as it may be today, there were quite a few people back then who thought our country was in imminent danger, and thought that it was their duty to defend it.
 
If you want details about President Kennedy, then I suggest that you consult your local library for some of the numerous books and articles about him.

If you want faster data, the I suggest that you consult web site for the President Kennedy Library.

http://www.jfklibrary.org/index.htm
 
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Malachi151 said:


Winston Churchill also gave support to the Nazis and other fascists prior to the outbreak of World War II.
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In his capacity as...what? A private citizen?

He held no office between 1929 and 1939.

Care to support this statement?
 
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Malachi151 said:


So I'm at fault because other people are uneducated? I don't think so. Some of the info backing this up is in the paper linked in my sig, its there if you want to read it.
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originally posted by no one in particular in this thread

You assume that because I have not come to your irrational conclusions that I have not looked enough at the issue.
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He held no office between 1929 and 1939.
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Actually, my recollection is that Churchill was a member of Parliment during that period, where he was noted for ignored speeches on the growing Nazi menace...particularlly its airpower and military build-up. Churchill was a fanatical anti-bolshivick (given that he could see what Stalin was and what the Russian Revolution had done to millions of Russians). However, arguing that he was a supporter of the Nazis and helped Hitler to power is so much tripe.

M151 -- if you are going to interpret history for the "uneducated" don't forget to point out that one great reason for Hitler's early success was the deals he made with Stalin (costing Poles and Jews millions of lives).

Anyway, as to JFK. His father was, actually, quite sympathetic to Hitler. THought the Nazis would make the trains run on time, and all that. Joe Sr. was an amazingly corrupt figure -- especially as US Ambasador where he actively tried to undermine FDR's foriegn policy. Having said that, JFK travelled extensively through Europe in the late 30s, part of his playboy period, visited Germany, etc.

He wrote (actually, I believe it was a College thesis at Harvard that was improved by ghost writers) the lauded "Why England Slept" after the start of the war in 1939. Lauded, because his father paid for the publicity.

Anyway, an excellent book on the young JFK is Reckless Youth by Nigel Hamilton. A very interesting book....
 
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corplinx said:


It appears he was killed by a nutty stalinist.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/home.htm
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Corplinx, please, you are sounding like the brainwashed (by the capitalist fascists) masses. Think for yourself man! Certainly you can come up with a better conspiracy than that. Try to include covert government agents and maybe mind control.

Edited to add: Oh, maybe some aliens as well?[/reversed sarcasm]

Edited to add reversed sarcasm codes
 
From INRM

JFK was stated to have known that participating in WW2 was an important thing in his era...

....how did he know since the war just started?
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As for how he "knew participating in the war effort was important", lol. INRM, why not talk with any American man of draft age at that time? It was a World War after all, a war against the spread of fascism throughout Europe and Asia. Most able-bodied men of draft age felt a patriotic duty, idealism for many, (and certainly peer pressure) to join in trying to stop the militaries of Germany and Japan once the U.S. entered the war.

Also, Kennedy spent a lot of time in England before the war and was interested in politics long before thinking about the White House. If you're really interested in knowing how he thought, why not read the book he wrote (based on his Harvard senior thesis): Why England Slept?

That would give you some insight into how JFK viewed the world at that time in his life. (He was also a genuine war hero; but, hopefully, you already know that).
 
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