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How did conflict between Israel and Iran start?

Virus

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In the Iranian nuke discussions some posters insinuate that Israel is to blame for hostilities between the two countries. A straight answer is never given for how these hostilities began. (As Orwell noted, liars rarely speak straight).

Here's your opportunity:

When did conflict between Israel and Iran start?

How?
 
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Dunno, some time around 2,500 years ago when the Medes were forming an empire in the Middle East.
 
Virus said:
In the Iranian nuke discussions some posters insinuate that Israel is to blame for hostilities between the two countries. A straight answer is never given for how these hostilities began. (As Orwell noted, liars rarely speak straight).
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Was this question even asked on that thread?

If so, who by?

Who dodged the question?
 
Presently, I would say that the conflict goes back to the deposing fo the Shah, and the need of the new regime to have external enemies for people to focus on. The US being a backer of the Shah was an obvious choice, and Israel, being a definite "other" and much closer to hand/easier to strike at was another obvious choice.

And then with the whole state-sponsored terrorist thing to keep the Israelis lashing out occasionally with civilian casualties that get rolled into the grievances agaisnt them - whether such a grievance is justified objectively or not. And the Israelis and the US get to remain prominient "Others" to be used as reasons not to change. Other countries get peripheral inclusion with the "Others" - the UK for the early involvement in Persia, etc.

The more germane questions would be how to finish it with the minimal disruption to both states.
 
Krikkiter said:
If you want to get technical that would be May 1948.
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I don't think so. Israel's geopolitical strategy has involved forging close relations with the non-Arab states in the region, and if I'm not mistaken Israel and Iran had good relations before 1979.

I have a bit hard to understand why Iran is insisting on hostility toward Israel (like funding Hezbollah and Hamas). It's not like they gain anything from it. Are the religious delusions behind it?
 
Virus said:
In the Iranian nuke discussions some posters insinuate that Israel is to blame for hostilities between the two countries. A straight answer is never given for how these hostilities began. (As Orwell noted, liars rarely speak straight).

Here's your opportunity:

When did conflict between Israel and Iran start?

How?
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How in the world don't you know the answer to that?

It started at the point when the hostilities between Israelis and the rest of Palestine started.

So as the most obvious trigger, it was the declaration of "This is our place now, period".

But Iran and Israel had good relations nonetheless, thanks to the Shah, until the Iranian Revolution that revealed the real emotions towards the "occupation of Palestine", as they call it.

As for the thousands of years before the Iranian Revolution, Iran and Israel(is) pretty much used to be friends:

http://us.cnn.com/2012/03/08/world/meast/israel-iran-relations/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
 
Iran's hostility towards Israel is part of the fundamentalist shift in the country since the Shah was forced out. It says something about fundamentalist Islam that its leaders somehow believe hatred of Jews is a necessary component.
 
Pardalis said:
And when did that start?
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As soon people in Iran got upset about the treatment of Palestines. And there happened a lot throughout the time since the declaration of independence. The Shah was able to ignore that - while the people obviously didn't.

What strikes me as funny though is the fact that it isn't about Israel. If the Hindus would've declared a state in Palestine and dominate the region, Iran would act the same way about Hindus. ;)
 
Oliver said:
As soon people in Iran got upset about the treatment of Palestines. And there happened a lot throughout the time since the declaration of independence. The Shah was able to ignore that - while the people obviously didn't.

What strikes me as funny though is the fact that it isn't about Israel. If the Hindus would've declared a state in Palestine and dominate the region, Iran would act the same way about Hindus. ;)
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This is rubbish. If you would have been correct, the Iranian policy would be that Israel should treat the Palestinian better. Instead their policy is that Israel should be abolished. And it is not only on paper. Iran spent a lot of money and effort to equip and train some of the most extreme organizations which are in conflict with Israel.
 
Besides, the conflict between Israel and Palestinians didn't start when Iranians started getting upset, that makes no sense.

It started when Arab states attacked Israel.
 
Loss Leader said:
Iran's hostility towards Israel is part of the fundamentalist shift in the country since the Shah was forced out. It says something about fundamentalist Islam that its leaders somehow believe hatred of Jews is a necessary component.
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Ok, so the religious component is behind it.
 
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