How can the world forgive Germany?

[Navigator]

If sticking to the subject is important to you, then perhaps we should leave the Palestinians out of it. Perhaps we should leave "Jews created God" out of it. Perhaps we should be talking about how to forgive Germany, rather than seeking ever more reasons for condemning the Jews.

To understand how to forgive it is important to have a wide perspective on events which lead to other events etc and the human element.
The most we have to go on is history itself, which is suspect at best especially before the invention of photography/moving pictures.

What you offer as argument is the need to remember the horrors done against a race of people by another race of people, thus the mention of a museum.

What the OP says about the evidence regarding the horrors of Nazi against other people they regard as inferiors is to exclaim why in the world the world can forgive that particular event.

If you are in touch with your humanity you will understand how the world is so able to forgive.
If we could point to anyone in history who is famous for spreading the message of forgiveness, that would be Jesus although not him alone.

Be that as it is, Jews and Jesus traditionally don't get along because he is not recognized as someone who is representative of their particular god idea.
Their god idea represents jealousy, revenge, usury, and non forgiveness - unless under certain circumstances.

Their god idea is that they are gods chosen people. This itself is a dangerous precedent to have set in motion because it distinguishes one race over every other, which is the same as thinking oneself superior to all other races which is coincidentally also a fundamental requirement of being Nazi.

The Jews are traditionally a people who infiltrated other races systems and influenced those systems to work in favor of their being Jews, which is always going to be a problem because it slaps the face of the host race, and in some cases spews in the face of the host race.

Given the horrors and the guilt, Britten came up with a solution to that problem by arranging a place Jews could call home, but unfortunately no one bothered to ask the natives as per usual and thus, there was great opposition which the Jews managed to overcome and in six days extended their boarders beyond what was originally gifted them.

They have since become a leading influential force in the many of the systems of the human race, most notably those endorsing capitalism.

Capitalism refers to itself as 'the free world' but that is an illusion.

So you can see better that selective memories within a museum is not an effort to display forgiveness. It is there to make sure the world remains in a perpetual feeling of being guilty for what was done to gods chosen people, because it is easier for the Jews to manipulate the systems of those who feel guilty for the things that were done to the Jews.

Why bring Palestine into the argument? Because it is very relevant. Ordinarily since the concept of forgiveness came into the minds of human beings, it is an expected part of being civilized and grown-up to learn how this is done.
Israel appears to be both civilized and grown-up having achieved what they have with what they were given.
It is understandable they reacted as they did regarding their position being surrounded by races which had ancient issues with them as a race, not all who had any say in the matter of their placement, so that was a war just asking to happen, and upon winning that war, did they forgive their enemies - the ones they have overcome?

No.

So the world can forgive 'Germans' because the world is more grown up, more civilized...more HUMAN. It understands itself enough to forgive itself and those who are part of the human race for atrocities done in the act of evolution.

But there is the necessity of outward expression coupled with the act of forgiveness.

Now the question is, is it real forgiveness or cautionary?

When we look at Germany since the fall of the Nazi, we see so much that is pleasing to the eye even that they feel the shame of their relationship. They have to forgive themselves in order to get on with it. The world which embraces Germans in forgiveness sees the effort made and salutes that.

However, that same world isn't so sure about Israel.

Now partly this has to do with the bible and its prophesies. Partly this has to do with Capitalism and its hold on the systems of the world. Partly this has to do with inequality, which is to view humans as superior/inferior based upon riches and power and partly this has to do with god concepts, all related to the god of the Jew, and the religions spawned of that idea.

But certainly it also has to do with the protocols because above all those documents are incredibly prophetic-like and full of interesting tit-bits to do with the complicity. malleability, and predictability of human beings and how to tap that in such a way as to manipulate whole species to travel a particular path to a particular outcome favorable to a particular personality which is not at all interested in forgiveness and peace love happiness equality Utopian-like systems

The thing about the protocols setting aside all the conspiracy surrounding them is that they were written by someone(s) who have the inside scope on human psychology and behavioral science. It is easy to see why Germans at the time fell hook line and sinker for the proclaimed validity of these hateful documents - it is dripping with hate for human beings and supposedly written by those who plan for nothing less than world dominance for their 'lord' and 'master' and taking out those references altogether the documents could easily be mistaken for Nazi protocol.

Once we understand the protocols we can better understand why things unfolded as they did, why forgiveness is necessary, and as a bonus, what to look out for in relation to being scammed by those/that which is designed to enslave a whole planets species and call it 'owned'...slowly and surely by degree.


For that in essence is what the protocols are expressing.


And the protocols exist and are the very tool for inciting hatred of something which has proved itself untrustworthy in a deeply historical way.

However, the problem is that 'the Jew' is going to be the target of that hatred unless the worlds systems somehow find a way to stop stealing and learn to give because many are convinced that 'Jews' have their finger firmly on the pulse of human ruling/leading systems and 'run the show' from their rich and powerful perspectives.

That is the danger of conspiracy but also conspiracy is a natural outcome of the systems which are designed and administered with an undercurrent of secretive agenda.

One of the most interesting things I have found in studying the protocols is that therein is also the answer to our collective problems. The antidote.

A bit like snake venom being used to counter the effects of being bitten by a snake.

 

[erwinl]

To understand how to forgive it is important to have a wide perspective on events which lead to other events etc and the human element.
The most we have to go on is history itself, which is suspect at best especially before the invention of photography/moving pictures.

What you offer as argument is the need to remember the horrors done against a race of people by another race of people, thus the mention of a museum.

What the OP says about the evidence regarding the horrors of Nazi against other people they regard as inferiors is to exclaim why in the world the world can forgive that particular event.

If you are in touch with your humanity you will understand how the world is so able to forgive.
If we could point to anyone in history who is famous for spreading the message of forgiveness, that would be Jesus although not him alone.

Be that as it is, Jews and Jesus traditionally don't get along because he is not recognized as someone who is representative of their particular god idea.
Their god idea represents jealousy, revenge, usury, and non forgiveness - unless under certain circumstances.

Their god idea is that they are gods chosen people. This itself is a dangerous precedent to have set in motion because it distinguishes one race over every other, which is the same as thinking oneself superior to all other races which is coincidentally also a fundamental requirement of being Nazi.

The Jews are traditionally a people who infiltrated other races systems and influenced those systems to work in favor of their being Jews, which is always going to be a problem because it slaps the face of the host race, and in some cases spews in the face of the host race.

Given the horrors and the guilt, Britten came up with a solution to that problem by arranging a place Jews could call home, but unfortunately no one bothered to ask the natives as per usual and thus, there was great opposition which the Jews managed to overcome and in six days extended their boarders beyond what was originally gifted them.

They have since become a leading influential force in the many of the systems of the human race, most notably those endorsing capitalism.

Capitalism refers to itself as 'the free world' but that is an illusion.

So you can see better that selective memories within a museum is not an effort to display forgiveness. It is there to make sure the world remains in a perpetual feeling of being guilty for what was done to gods chosen people, because it is easier for the Jews to manipulate the systems of those who feel guilty for the things that were done to the Jews.

Why bring Palestine into the argument? Because it is very relevant. Ordinarily since the concept of forgiveness came into the minds of human beings, it is an expected part of being civilized and grown-up to learn how this is done.
Israel appears to be both civilized and grown-up having achieved what they have with what they were given.
It is understandable they reacted as they did regarding their position being surrounded by races which had ancient issues with them as a race, not all who had any say in the matter of their placement, so that was a war just asking to happen, and upon winning that war, did they forgive their enemies - the ones they have overcome?

No.

So the world can forgive 'Germans' because the world is more grown up, more civilized...more HUMAN. It understands itself enough to forgive itself and those who are part of the human race for atrocities done in the act of evolution.

But there is the necessity of outward expression coupled with the act of forgiveness.

Now the question is, is it real forgiveness or cautionary?

When we look at Germany since the fall of the Nazi, we see so much that is pleasing to the eye even that they feel the shame of their relationship. They have to forgive themselves in order to get on with it. The world which embraces Germans in forgiveness sees the effort made and salutes that.

However, that same world isn't so sure about Israel.

Now partly this has to do with the bible and its prophesies. Partly this has to do with Capitalism and its hold on the systems of the world. Partly this has to do with inequality, which is to view humans as superior/inferior based upon riches and power and partly this has to do with god concepts, all related to the god of the Jew, and the religions spawned of that idea.

But certainly it also has to do with the protocols because above all those documents are incredibly prophetic-like and full of interesting tit-bits to do with the complicity. malleability, and predictability of human beings and how to tap that in such a way as to manipulate whole species to travel a particular path to a particular outcome favorable to a particular personality which is not at all interested in forgiveness and peace love happiness equality Utopian-like systems

The thing about the protocols setting aside all the conspiracy surrounding them is that they were written by someone(s) who have the inside scope on human psychology and behavioral science. It is easy to see why Germans at the time fell hook line and sinker for the proclaimed validity of these hateful documents - it is dripping with hate for human beings and supposedly written by those who plan for nothing less than world dominance for their 'lord' and 'master' and taking out those references altogether the documents could easily be mistaken for Nazi protocol.

Once we understand the protocols we can better understand why things unfolded as they did, why forgiveness is necessary, and as a bonus, what to look out for in relation to being scammed by those/that which is designed to enslave a whole planets species and call it 'owned'...slowly and surely by degree.


For that in essence is what the protocols are expressing.


And the protocols exist and are the very tool for inciting hatred of something which has proved itself untrustworthy in a deeply historical way.

However, the problem is that 'the Jew' is going to be the target of that hatred unless the worlds systems somehow find a way to stop stealing and learn to give because many are convinced that 'Jews' have their finger firmly on the pulse of human ruling/leading systems and 'run the show' from their rich and powerful perspectives.

That is the danger of conspiracy but also conspiracy is a natural outcome of the systems which are designed and administered with an undercurrent of secretive agenda.

One of the most interesting things I have found in studying the protocols is that therein is also the answer to our collective problems. The antidote.

A bit like snake venom being used to counter the effects of being bitten by a snake.

Wow!

That's what they call creativity. This is an impressive amount of nonsense written here.

 

[Navigator]

Navigator - you seem to be confusing a religion with a nation.

Not particularly. I do understand though that this is what happens.
The things is, a 'Jew' is not a 'nation.'

A 'German' is also not a nation.

Just more anti Jewish spewings, we seem to get a lot of them on JREF

As I mentioned, one can be called 'anti semantic' just for wanting to shed some light on some of the things people are failing to include in their appraisal of things called 'Jewish.'

We live in a world which was heavily influence by the history of Jews. We are discovering some disturbing possibilities regarding that history.
One of the most telling is that of every race on the planet all managed to have settled when the Jews left it so late that they had to force themselves on another and even then they seem to have been pushed out to wander homeless. This does not dovetail very well in regards to evolution. It is almost as if they are from some other planet and were seeded here only that is just a story they lied about to the rest of the world. At least there are those who think the whole story is a fabrication.

Bottom line for me is that I don't care what people call themselves. I am interested in what they are doing to each other, because that shows more truth than any words will ever show.

 

[Navigator]

Wow!

That's what they call creativity. This is an impressive amount of nonsense written here.

Well, what I have said is a perspective and you are free to elaborate where the nonsense is.

 

[I Ratant]

No, no, don't!
Think of the bandwidth consumed to fail at correcting a serious problem that will not be correctable.

 

[blutoski]

How many countries even had universal male and female suffrage prior to 1920? I know Australia and New Zealand did, and Norway as well, but I can't think of any others.

Some countries it's hard to answer. In Canada, women could vote in provincial elections as early as 1850. Quebec not until 1940. Federally 1918.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

The Jews are traditionally a people who infiltrated other races systems and influenced those systems to work in favor of their being Jews, which is always going to be a problem because it slaps the face of the host race, and in some cases spews in the face of the host race.

Gosh, you're so right! Because English Protestants and Italian Catholics would NEBER do that, would they?

Teh amount of ignorance in your post is astounding. Posts like yours are why people on the internet use fake names.

*ptooy!* *ptooy!* Dang, can't get the taste of Protocol BS out of my mouth.

 

[Ryan O'Dine]

Their god idea is that they are gods chosen people. This itself is a dangerous precedent to have set in motion because it distinguishes one race over every other, which is the same as thinking oneself superior to all other races which is coincidentally also a fundamental requirement of being Nazi.

You've never studied Judaism.

The Jews are traditionally a people who infiltrated other races systems and influenced those systems to work in favor of their being Jews, which is always going to be a problem because it slaps the face of the host race, and in some cases spews in the face of the host race.

You don't know the history of the Jews.

So you can see better that selective memories within a museum is not an effort to display forgiveness. It is there to make sure the world remains in a perpetual feeling of being guilty for what was done to gods chosen people, because it is easier for the Jews to manipulate the systems of those who feel guilty for the things that were done to the Jews.

You've never been to the Holocaust Museum.

Why bring Palestine into the argument? Because it is very relevant.

Israel didn't come into being until after the holocaust. (It's not relevant to this thread.)

So the world can forgive 'Germans' because the world is more grown up, more civilized...more HUMAN. It understands itself enough to forgive itself and those who are part of the human race for atrocities done in the act of evolution.

I don't think you lost any family in the holocaust.

Once we understand the protocols we can better understand why things unfolded as they did, why forgiveness is necessary, and as a bonus, what to look out for in relation to being scammed by those/that which is designed to enslave a whole planets species and call it 'owned'...slowly and surely by degree.

It almost looks like you don't know the Protocols were a hoax.


Blaming the victims is not a path to forgiveness, Navigator. It's a path to furthering the hatred. As we can see from your posts.

 

[Xulld]

By learning the history leading up to the war that set the stage for it to occur and realizing that it can happen anywhere that economic disaster happens.

The resentment that Hitler used to foster anti-semetism was the product of years of economic exploitation of the markets.

Sadly, no one cares about history.

 

[Myriad]

Now partly this has to do with the bible and its prophesies. Partly this has to do with Capitalism and its hold on the systems of the world. Partly this has to do with inequality, which is to view humans as superior/inferior based upon riches and power and partly this has to do with god concepts, all related to the god of the Jew, and the religions spawned of that idea.

When you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you.

In this case, it appears to have then followed you home, moved into your guest bedroom, had its own land line put in, and is now taking the dog for walks and helping out with the laundry.

 

[Wudang]

As I mentioned, one can be called 'anti semantic'

After reading your posts I'd definitely call you anti-semantic.

 

[sowhat]

Its kind of become a hobby to blame current descendents for the horrors committed by
what ever ethnic communities they happen to be descended from.
The truth of the matter is we are all products of the time and place of our birth. None of us have the slightest choice in the matter.

There are fewer Germans from the Nazi era to "never forgive" these days. Unfortunately there are still people in every culture holding views just as horrible as the Nazis ever did.
I think over all we are living in a much better world these days. Gott'a keep working at it though.

 

[CaptainHowdy]

How can the world forgive Germany?

By realising that the Germans are very like us indeed, and that what happened there could very easily happen to us the same way. And that's why knee-jerk shouts of "Godwin!" can be a problem.

By realising that nobody alive in Germany today participated in any of that, and on the contrary most ordinary people are deeply ashamed of what happened. To the point where Germany is probably the least likely country for anything like that to happen in again.

By visiting Germany and meeting and talking to German people, as real people. By visiting their wonderful historical sites and learning about their rich cultural heritage going back many centuries.

By staying with German people in their own homes, and by preparing to welcome them into my home later this year (this is in my case, an exchange visit with a choir in the wonderful town of Wurzburg).

We must never forget the lesson, but we and the world will be a poorer place if we harbour anger and bitterness to a nation that once again are just people very like us. And the place to apply the lesson may be a lot closer to home than Germany.

Rolfe.

I don't think that's true. There were 244,000 survivors of the Holocaust still alive just in Israel in 2007. Surely some of the perpetrators are also still alive. But it is true that Germans today have faced up to their past more completely and more honestly than just about any other people. How many Japanese citizens feel remorse for the Rape of Nanking or the Korean Comfort women? How many Japanese citizens don't even acknowledge these atrocities? As was mentioned earlier, how many US citizens feel remorse for Wounded Knee? Or for the Trail of Tears? Or for slavery? Or Japanese internment? Or Guantanamo? Or the NSA?

Germans don't have a monopoly on evil. But they come pretty close to having a monopoly on acknowledging their past wrongs and trying to prevent future occurrence.

 

[I Ratant]

There are no Jews alive, nor have there ever been any who killed Christ.
Christ is a character in a work of fiction.

 

[Navigator]

Christ is a character in a work of fiction.

Who's work of fiction?

Is the Jewish god also a work of fiction? If so, who's work of fiction.

To those who have commented that I am being anti Semitic, you are way telling lies.

Those who say I don't understand Jewish history, I am fine with being shown where I err.

 

[dudalb]

The Nazis planned this, but it never happened.

Not quite true.A Werewolf team did kill the American appointed Mayor of Aachen as a traitor,but that was about the only sucess they ever had. And that was was a hit and run job with against an unarmed opponent,much more like a Mafia hit then a military operation. As far as guerilla operations agains the allied forces, the Werewolf plan was a complete and total bust. It might have been intended serously, but it ended up being mainly another Joseph Goebbles propaganada gimmick.

 

[dudalb]

I think the term "forgive but do not forget" applies here.

 

[Navigator]

I think the term "forgive but do not forget" applies here.

Yes. With the addition of actually learning something from it all so that repeating the process does not happen ever, to any race, either way.

 

[Puppycow]

This thread got me thinking about George Washington and how we compartmentalize when when we want someone to be a hero and put some pretty horrific things off in a corner to be ignored. Washington was one of the biggest slaveholders of his day. People excuse this by saying that he lived in a different time and such practices were normal and commonplace in those days. But nobody ever uses this kind of thinking to excuse the Nazis, even though they too lived in a different time with different norms.

 

[fuelair]

After reading your posts I'd definitely call you anti-semantic.