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How bad are schools?

Grammatron said:


I'll compromise if you'll agree to get rid of teacher unions.
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Never!! Dump half the administrative staff, maybe...

The unions are fine, so long as they are willing to come to the table with the willingness to police their own, or accept oversight. I'd agree that there are too many teachers just hanging out in schools, and I don't support the idea that they can hide behind a union. Their fellow teachers should have the balls to force the lousy teachers out.
 
Zero said:
Never!! Dump half the administrative staff, maybe...

The unions are fine, so long as they are willing to come to the table with the willingness to police their own, or accept oversight. I'd agree that there are too many teachers just hanging out in schools, and I don't support the idea that they can hide behind a union. Their fellow teachers should have the balls to force the lousy teachers out.
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The main problem is they don't. Once they hit tenure they can get away with great many things, I've read plenty of reports of teachers who get caught doing what they shouldn't be and just get moved to a different school -- this solution kind of reminds of a catholic church...
 
Grammatron said:


The main problem is they don't. Once they hit tenure they can get away with great many things, I've read plenty of reports of teachers who get caught doing what they shouldn't be and just get moved to a different school -- this solution kind of reminds of a catholic church...
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Well, there's a perfect place to reform schools, and on the cheap to boot! Now, if you can give me a good preschool, school lunches, and afterschool programs that don't involve a ball, and I'm in!

(BTW, this is the most civil discussion I've had here all year...bravo to both of us!!)
 
Zero said:
Well, there's a perfect place to reform schools, and on the cheap to boot! Now, if you can give me a good preschool, school lunches, and afterschool programs that don't involve a ball, and I'm in!

(BTW, this is the most civil discussion I've had here all year...bravo to both of us!!)
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I agree! Of course I could throw in an insult if you are feeling uncomfortable ;)

A reform would be good, I just don't know where you would start first, and the whole thing is FUBAR. California spent $50 billion (that's with a 'b') on schools 2002-2003 year. That's enough money to rebuild half of Iraq but apparently not enough to educate students in California at National Average level.
 
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