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How 9/11 was done

How I know Silverstein was a conspirator of the 9/11 attacks:

1) He is a joo.
2) He leased the WTC six weeks before the attacks.
3) He is a joo.
4) The WTC was destroyed.
5) He is a joo.
6) He didn't die on 9/11 although he would have if he didn't have a doctor's appointment.
7) He is a joo.

Based on these facts, it is proven that Larry Silverstien is complicit in the murder of 3,000 people and destroying the WTC.
 
How I know Silverstein was a conspirator of the 9/11 attacks:

1) He is a joo.
2) He leased the WTC six weeks before the attacks.
3) He is a joo.
4) The WTC was destroyed.
5) He is a joo.
6) He didn't die on 9/11 although he would have if he didn't have a doctor's appointment.
7) He is a joo.

Based on these facts, it is proven that Larry Silverstien is complicit in the murder of 3,000 people and destroying the WTC.

I am gad that DTugg, who is from the same club as Doctor Evil, is now finally with me. I am glad that you have come to the insight that the 'proof' that the Arabs did, based on fake evidence from impossible cell phone calls from the planes flying at 600 mph at 30.000 feet, from pictures from airport surveillance camera's owned by a convicted criminal named Atzmon, from a planted Atta passport in the streets of Manhattan and from a flight school pupil 'Atta' who could not speak german... that this 'proof' is untenable.

Congratulations!
 
LOL! I thought I was on ignore. And yep, you have convinced me it was the evil joooooz. There is no other way.

Just so you know there is no proof that cell phone calls from planes are impossible and most of the phone calls were made from airfones anyway. Atta's passport was also not found on the streets of Manhattan. Never heard of your other claims.
 
I am gad that DTugg, who is from the same club as Doctor Evil, is now finally with me. I am glad that you have come to the insight that the 'proof' that the Arabs did, based on fake evidence from impossible cell phone calls from the planes flying at 600 mph at 30.000 feet, from pictures from airport surveillance camera's owned by a convicted criminal named Atzmon, from a planted Atta passport in the streets of Manhattan and from a flight school pupil 'Atta' who could not speak german... that this 'proof' is untenable.

Congratulations!

Just asserting mistruths does not make a statement accurate. For starters, the cell phone calls were in fact quote possible. First of all, many calls were made by the seatback airphones. And for the ones that weren't, but were indeed made by cell phones, nothing about 600 MPH prevents a cell tower from getting a signal from one of those. And there is a plethora of proof that calls from altitude are possible; in fact, they've been made before, frequently.
http://www.911myths.com/html/mobiles_at_altitude.html

You also ignore that, for many of the calls, the jets the victims called from was at low altitude. For example, Barbara Olson's call was made at 9:29am, a time when Fl77 was only at 7,000 feet.

On top of that, the calls could not have been faked.
http://www.911myths.com/html/calls_faked.html

That's just refuting your mistakes about the phone calls. How do you establish that your other distortions are anything but? You impugn the surveillance video, but fail to understand that the case behind the identification of the hijackers is built on many individual pieces of evidence, from witness statements and documentation of their movements prior to 9/11, from DNA matching from various locations to the video you attack. Unlike the truther arguments, it's not one, single point that the case hangs on. Rather, it's a convergence of evidence.

You don't think Atta's passport is genuine? You have any proof behind that? Belief is a weak argument, especially in the light of other items surviving:
http://www.911myths.com/html/passport_recovered.html

I see that your case against Silverstein is built to the same level of support that your argument against Arabs being involved is. That is, it's built on distortions, and has a distinct lack of facts and supporting evidence. I suggest you compare your arguments against http://wtc7lies.googlepages.com, http://911myths.com, and http://debunking911.com befor posting them here. By choosing long disproven arguments that have been trotted out and disproven before, you make refuting your case far too easy.
 
I am gad that DTugg, who is from the same club as Doctor Evil, is now finally with me. I am glad that you have come to the insight that the 'proof' that the Arabs did, based on fake evidence from impossible cell phone calls from the planes flying at 600 mph at 30.000 feet, from pictures from airport surveillance camera's owned by a convicted criminal named Atzmon, from a planted Atta passport in the streets of Manhattan and from a flight school pupil 'Atta' who could not speak german... that this 'proof' is untenable.

Have you stopped to even consider, if just for a second, that much of your 'evidence' that makes you so sure it was an inside job was like your little fiasco with the remote control disinfo in this very thread just may be based on half truths, idle conjecture, outright lies, and blind ideology?

I mean seriously. You are still declaring the phone calls fake and declaring the passport planted when you have NO evidence to support it simply because it threatens your theory. What's up with that anyway? Can't you apply the same minute scrutiny and critical thinking to evidence that supposedly supports you theory that you do evidence that contradicts it?

I'll ask again: Just what kind of investigator ARE you, anyway?
 
Seth MacFarlane, creator of animated series "Family Guy" and "American Dad":

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seth_Mcfarlane#Experience_with_September_11.2C_2001_attacks)

I'm going to start claiming that MacFarlane's travel agent had inside knowledge. The evidence is clear; he saved a favored client from death. Anyone wanna challenge me on that? ;)

I have never heard of this guy (I only watch German television, you see, on the rare occasions that I watch television at all)... Seth MacFarlane you say... sounds rather Scottish to me, but the family name is determined by the father... maybe the mother insisted on calling him Seth. What can i find about him..."The animated sitcom ‘Family Guy’ is no stranger to controversy, but on Sunday night the show went into uncharted territory as it seemed to weigh in on the presidential race by likening the McCain/Palin ticket to the Nazi party in World War II."... Seth is in favor of gay marriage...

Hmm not difficult to come up with an hypothesis... Now that I come to think of it... I mean in certain circles it is the mother who determines...

You know what I think? I think our buddy Seth had an Odigo account. That must be it!
 
I have never heard of this guy (I only watch German television, you see, on the rare occasions that I watch television at all)... Seth MacFarlane you say... sounds rather Scottish to me, but the family name is determined by the father... maybe the mother insisted on calling him Seth. What can i find about him..."The animated sitcom ‘Family Guy’ is no stranger to controversy, but on Sunday night the show went into uncharted territory as it seemed to weigh in on the presidential race by likening the McCain/Palin ticket to the Nazi party in World War II."... Seth is in favor of gay marriage...

Hmm not difficult to come up with an hypothesis... Now that I come to think of it... I mean in certain circles it is the mother who determines...

You know what I think? I think our buddy Seth had an Odigo account. That must be it!

Okay, folks. Even to a dense doofus like me, I think it's become rather obvious that he's just screwing around now.

In a way, that's a relief. If someone in 2008 still honestly bought into the whole "Dancing Israelis" thing, or faked phone calls, you'd wonder where he'd been for the past several years. At least now we can tell that he's just trying to provoke a response.

That's pretty much the end of this thread, then.
 
I am gad that DTugg, who is from the same club as Doctor Evil, is now finally with me. I am glad that you have come to the insight that the 'proof' that the Arabs did, based on fake evidence from impossible cell phone calls from the planes flying at 600 mph at 30.000 feet, from pictures from airport surveillance camera's owned by a convicted criminal named Atzmon, from a planted Atta passport in the streets of Manhattan and from a flight school pupil 'Atta' who could not speak german... that this 'proof' is untenable.
Are those actually your best points?

Your claims about phones were debunked around page 1 of this thread.

Your fantasy that the passport was planted is entirely without evidence.

The ones about Atzmon and Atta aren't even comprehensible without you explaining further how Atzmon's conviction, or your (unsubstantiated) claim of Atta not speaking German, are relevant to claims of a Joo Job.

And the rest of the evidence you seem to have dealt with by pretending it isn't there.

And then you guys wonder why people don't take you seriously.
 
My case against him is that he fits too perfect in the grand scheme of things. Leasing the complex 6 weeks before the attacks (complex had not changed owner in its entire existence) and insuring against terrorist attacks,

As a result of which actions his monetary losses run to at least a nine-digit number, which could very easily have been predicted had he known of the attacks before hand. Don't forget that bit just because it doesn't support your accusation. Don't forget, too, that he negotiated the insurance terms on the WTC down from $5.1bn per incident to $3.6bn per incident, after initially suggesting it be as low as $1.1bn per incident. Is it the mark of a guilty man that he tried to deprive himself of four billion dollars should his nefarious scheme succeed?

Dave
 
I have never heard of this guy (I only watch German television, you see, on the rare occasions that I watch television at all)...
Well, watching one or two channels does not equal to "German television", as Family Guy is broadcasted in Germany (and has a german version). This is a cartoon that depicts a crazy american family. Some people describe Family Guy as a Simpsons clone.

So you mean that Seth McFarlane was in on it too? Captain Picard, we need you.
 
For starters, the cell phone calls were in fact quote possible. First of all, many calls were made by the seatback airphones. And for the ones that weren't, but were indeed made by cell phones, nothing about 600 MPH prevents a cell tower from getting a signal from one of those. And there is a plethora of proof that calls from altitude are possible; in fact, they've been made before, frequently.
http://www.911myths.com/html/mobiles_at_altitude.html

You also ignore that, for many of the calls, the jets the victims called from was at low altitude. For example, Barbara Olson's call was made at 9:29am, a time when Fl77 was only at 7,000 feet.

A while back I tried it myself during a 40 minute flight from Berlin to Amsterdam. I do not think we were even near 15.000 feet. No provider appeared on my display. And that was 2006.

Here is the test report done by prof. A.K. Dewdney in a Cessna 4 seater aircraft from 2003 over the skies of London/Ontario/Canada, in 2004 repeated in a larger aircraft, financed by a Japanese film crew.

Quote from the article: "It should be remarked that not only is the cellphone technological base in Canada identical to its US counterpart, but Canadian communication technology is second to none, Canada being a world-leader in research and development.". Do I hear any protests? :D

Mind you, this aircraft had minimal Faraday Cage effects in contrast with regular passenger aircraft.

Problems making connections started past 6000 feet. Mind you in small aircraft circling above the ground station low speed with no Faraday Cage effect.

Your debunker article refers to exactly this research. Obviously your article does not refer to any positive research that calls from airliners are in fact possible. There is no research. On top of that, I am a very frequent flyer (over Europe) but I never ever experienced that somebodies phone went off in mid air during a flight, which cannot be said from theater's of cinema's where one is also explicitly asked to switch the thing off.

Here is a recent video (july 2007) of prof. A.K. Dewdney where he is reporting on behalf of a conference on said research on the possibility of making cell phone calls from aircraft. He can no longer attend this kind of conference in person. As a consequence of his earlier 2003/2004 research he is now put on a no-fly list by the same government you are all so vigorously defending here. He is a 'terrorist suspect' now.

He explains how cell phone's work in combination with ground stations.

Prof. Dewdney's conclusion: in a normal passenger airliner the ability to make phone calls cuts off radically above 2000 feet. As an extra consideration: at low altitude's it is equally impossible to make phone calls due to the high speed of the passenger aircraft. By the time the cell phone and the ground station have established a connection via a handshake procedure, the connection is cut off because the plane has moved into a new block.

The whole cell phone story (4 in flight175, 2 in flight77 and 8 in flight93) is based on a lie. Just as the rest of the OCT. The fake calls were necessary to plant the Arabs-did-it story in the public consciousness.

In the mean time on the ground in the US
- Wallstreet gets a bailout of 700 billion
- Detroit does not get a bailout of 15 Billion (America has just sacrificed its automobile industry, GM is preparing for bankruptcy). Detroit was once dubbed as the 'Paris of the Americas'. What shall we call it today: Brazzaville?

Why do you guys think that is? what's the difference between Wallstreet and Detroit? Anybody?

- Cost Iraq war, triggered by the 911/New Pearl Harbor, according to Nobel prize winner Steglitz: 3 trillion dollar. That is 10,000$ for every American, from baby to oldtimer. Not angry yet?

Just to top it off, today a Wallstreet crook named Bernard Madoff (unnecessary to do research background on him) was arrested for a fraud to the tune of 50 billion $ (that's 3 Detroit bailouts). Not angry yet?

Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning.
 
I've turned on my cell (naughty me) in flight and got a signal most of the time. I live on the east coast of the US (hey that's where this all went down). Of course it doesn't really mater because most of the calls were AIR PHONE.

Maybe I should make a U-Tube video so the "truthers" will take what I said as law ;).
 
A while back I tried it myself during a 40 minute flight from Berlin to Amsterdam. I do not think we were even near 15.000 feet. No provider appeared on my display. And that was 2006.
Cell phone technology has changed since 2001. Ironically, increased coverage by cell towers and better efficiency in phones has reduced the ability to make a call from a plane since 2001. To get better coverage, they didn't increase the range of the towers, instead they built many more towers and reduced their range to cover smaller 'cells'. In 2001 it was easier to make a call from 30000ft away from a tower because the there were fewer but more powerful transmitters.
Here is the test report done by prof. A.K. Dewdney in a Cessna 4 seater aircraft from 2003 over the skies of London/Ontario/Canada, in 2004 repeated in a larger aircraft, financed by a Japanese film crew.

Quote from the article: "It should be remarked that not only is the cellphone technological base in Canada identical to its US counterpart, but Canadian communication technology is second to none, Canada being a world-leader in research and development.". Do I hear any protests? :D

Mind you, this aircraft had minimal Faraday Cage effects in contrast with regular passenger aircraft.

Problems making connections started past 6000 feet. Mind you in small aircraft circling above the ground station low speed with no Faraday Cage effect.

Your debunker article refers to exactly this research. Obviously your article does not refer to any positive research that calls from airliners are in fact possible. There is no research. On top of that, I am a very frequent flyer (over Europe) but I never ever experienced that somebodies phone went off in mid air during a flight, which cannot be said from theater's of cinema's where one is also explicitly asked to switch the thing off.

Here is a recent video (july 2007) of prof. A.K. Dewdney where he is reporting on behalf of a conference on said research on the possibility of making cell phone calls from aircraft. He can no longer attend this kind of conference in person. As a consequence of his earlier 2003/2004 research he is now put on a no-fly list by the same government you are all so vigorously defending here. He is a 'terrorist suspect' now.

He explains how cell phone's work in combination with ground stations.

Prof. Dewdney's conclusion: in a normal passenger airliner the ability to make phone calls cuts off radically above 2000 feet. As an extra consideration: at low altitude's it is equally impossible to make phone calls due to the high speed of the passenger aircraft. By the time the cell phone and the ground station have established a connection via a handshake procedure, the connection is cut off because the plane has moved into a new block.

He was flying around a city, while the calls on 9/11 were in rural areas. Why does that matter? Similar to the 2001/2006 difference I talk about above, in a city there is a higher concentration of towers with shorter range, hense the constant switching between towers. In a rural area, the towers are spread far apart and use higher range transmitters to cover more area. For this reason, it is easier to make a call from a plane flying over farmland than one flying over a city.
 
A while back I tried it myself during a 40 minute flight from Berlin to Amsterdam. I do not think we were even near 15.000 feet. No provider appeared on my display. And that was 2006.
1: counter intuitively, cellphones were more powerful in 2001 than in 2006

the reason for this is expanded network infrastructure, the mean distance to the nearest tower is lower now, so a weaker signal can work just as well, i suspect this is even more true in europe, where IIRC there are more cell phones per capita than in the US

2: also counter intuitively, towers in rural areas are more powerful than towers in urban areas

this is because the limiting factor is not how much area a tower can cover, but how many calls it can handle at once, since the number of calls per unit area is much lower in rural areas towers can be fed more power to cover a larger area, this in turn results in signal bleed upward, toward aircraft

Quote from the article: "It should be remarked that not only is the cellphone technological base in Canada identical to its US counterpart, but Canadian communication technology is second to none, Canada being a world-leader in research and development.". Do I hear any protests? :biggrin:
so perhaps their radios have less bleed into the atmosphere and are better at projecting coverage down to the ground, where it needs to be?
 
I've turned on my cell (naughty me) in flight and got a signal most of the time. I live on the east coast of the US (hey that's where this all went down). Of course it doesn't really mater because most of the calls were AIR PHONE.

I'm sure you tried your phone at 100,000 feet at least.

Maybe I should make a U-Tube video so the "truthers" will take what I said as law ;).

With all due respect, but who should care about your video?

Prof. Dewdney was for many years the editor of the mathematical recreations column in Scientific American, taking over from Martin Gardner and Douglas Hofstadter. He is also the author of various books on mathematics and computing, including The Planiverse, The Tinkertoy Computer, and others...

Not the CV of an idiot. He is now on the 'terrorist suspect list'. This says a lot more about the current regime than about prof. Dewdney, would you not agree?
 
A while back I tried it myself during a 40 minute flight from Berlin to Amsterdam. I do not think we were even near 15.000 feet. No provider appeared on my display. And that was 2006.

Here is the test report done by prof. A.K. Dewdney in a Cessna 4 seater aircraft from 2003 over the skies of London/Ontario/Canada, in 2004 repeated in a larger aircraft, financed by a Japanese film crew.

Quote from the article: "It should be remarked that not only is the cellphone technological base in Canada identical to its US counterpart, but Canadian communication technology is second to none, Canada being a world-leader in research and development.". Do I hear any protests? :D

Mind you, this aircraft had minimal Faraday Cage effects in contrast with regular passenger aircraft.

Problems making connections started past 6000 feet. Mind you in small aircraft circling above the ground station low speed with no Faraday Cage effect.

Your debunker article refers to exactly this research. Obviously your article does not refer to any positive research that calls from airliners are in fact possible. There is no research. On top of that, I am a very frequent flyer (over Europe) but I never ever experienced that somebodies phone went off in mid air during a flight, which cannot be said from theater's of cinema's where one is also explicitly asked to switch the thing off.

He explains how cell phone's work in combination with ground stations.

Prof. Dewdney's conclusion: in a normal passenger airliner the ability to make phone calls cuts off radically above 2000 feet. As an extra consideration: at low altitude's it is equally impossible to make phone calls due to the high speed of the passenger aircraft. By the time the cell phone and the ground station have established a connection via a handshake procedure, the connection is cut off because the plane has moved into a new block.

The whole cell phone story (4 in flight175, 2 in flight77 and 8 in flight93) is based on a lie. Just as the rest of the OCT. The fake calls were necessary to plant the Arabs-did-it story in the public consciousness.

Wildcard. Ruthless and cunning.
AKD is a nutcase on cell phones, and his work has nothing to do with 9/11 and 19 terrorist; the same as you being off topic on Iraq, and money problems are. 9/11 truth big problem, focus, and they have zero evidence. Fact is cell phones CAN work in flight.

The technical papers on cell phones from 2001, flying does not mean the cell phone will not work. I am an electrical engineer and a pilot with over 34 years of experience; I have used a cell phone in aircraft it worked, the hardest thing was the noise in my planes, “him mom, this is keith” is hard to hear in a noisy plane! As an engineer, I read the cell phone tech manuals and found out cell phones CAN work in flight. Reading, it is fundamental.

What you have is hearsay, and lack of research. Most the phone calls were done on the super secret seat phones. ... why do you continue to repeat wrong points on 9/11? The work you cite says cell phones can work; otherwise the work is bogus.
 
I'm sure you tried your phone at 100,000 feet at least.

No idea if I am still on ignore now that I am on your side since you convinced me it was the evil joooooos. But what are you talking about? What kind of commercial airliner flies at 100,000 feet? There aren't even military jets that fly that high.
 
The ancient (even by truther standards) baloney that cell phone calls on planes are faked because some idiot in Canada claims they don't work in America. Do we need more proof that the 9/11 truth movement is a bunch of recyclebots who appear to be unable to think for themselves?
 

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