How 9/11 was done

[9/11-investigator]

It was Huntleigh, and in real life it might have done the baggage handling for one, and no more, of the four flights. That makes its role in your CT rather unlikely.

Dave

You're correct, it was Huntleigh. I should leave poor Samuel out of my CT. Yet.

I only know that Huntleigh did security. I do not know how far this went.

As an illustration my 9/11-history: reading articles on the internet during the past 7 years (no obsessive effort), no books whatsoever (although I am a fervent bookreader), watched some videos, a discussion thread in Holland of 600 or so posts (more than half written by me), a blog as a consequence of that thread and now this lion's den.

That's it.

 

[GStan]

I thought this was a moderated thread.

It is. But undeservedly calling someone an ignorant liar and simply advising them not to become one are two entirely different things. You are inching ever closer though.

You obviously have not read my blog AND missed the discussion earlier about this topic. My main contribution to the ICT is the explanation of how the Mossad got hold on exactly the sound samples you are talking about.

I've read the entire thread. There is absolutely no way around the fact some of the passengers who made calls also booked flight 93 at the last minute. There is nothing you can say on your blog or here that will change that fact. The conspirators could not have known they were flying and would not have a previously recorded voice sample to use the voice-morphing technology for those passengers.

I'll do that if you prove me that remote control is impossible. Deal?

It is not easy to parachute yourself onto Manhattan unnoticed. Certainly not after the first impact. You see it is not that easy to come up with a credible theory. We are now in page 17; I doubt if you are gonna make it until the end of this page.

Not bad. Several truthers advocate some plane swapping theory. Even Bollyn does that. Not me. Not yet. But your problem is: you have your 4 planes on the ground filled with gassed passengers. And now what? Here comes the Mossad agent (must be a trained pilot because he needs to be able to ground the B757-beast). The ground personel docks this tunnel-thing against the aircraft, opens the door and sees 4-5 guys with gas masks saying shalom. Thisis a non-starter. You see, it is not so easy to 'make up' stories

If you applied half as much scrutiny to the crap you have been making up as you just did to the crap I made up, this thread would have ended about 16 1/2 pages ago.

No I do not have to adjust. We discussed 2 cases and I 'fantasized' my way out of it (that story with the will and safe code).

No surprises here. We've come to expect nothing more from you.

 

[SDC]

Back to the ACARS/remote control busines:

So who updated the flight path to one with destination New York rather than Los Angeles? Here is a possible candidate: Pete Zalewski. What is extremely interesting about this fellow is that he as a flight controller 'handled' 3 (three) hijacked airliners in his life that all crashed: AA11, AA175 and Egypt Air 990. Quite a coincidence!

Here a detailed account of Pete Zalewski's actions during 9/11.

Here is an excellent German documentary '9/11 false flag' (72 min., English subtitles). In minute 15:00-17:10 the German historian Andreas Hauß refers to Pete Zalewski and the curious fact that he 'handled' the 3 flights mentioned. Hauß even handed in a complaint of an offense to the German authorities concerning the attacks of 9/11 explicitly mentioning Pete Zalewski.

When one searches a bit deeper into this character Zalewski one will find that he would fit rather well in my ICT.

Could it be that it was Zalewski who sent an updated flight plan to AA11 and UA175 (and Egypt Air 990) changing course from Los Angeles to New York? Three crashing planes for this very young flight controller is too much to be a coincidence.

I assume you believe Zalewski is a Jew, since after all, his name looks unusual. Not likely, from the name; it has every appearance of being Polish. Does that matter to you?

Not likely.

 

[ktesibios]

No. Remote control is not just 'any hypothesis', it is the logical consequence of the truthers argument that WTC was brought down by controlled demolition. Is that so difficult to understand? Looking for ways to explain remote control is not a silly intellectual exercise. And before one ventures to prove something it is wise to find out if something is possible in the first place.

And that's exactly what I am doing.

Are you familiar with the concept of reductio ad absurdem? This is where one disproves a proposition by assuming that it is true and demonstrating that this necessarily leads to an absurd conclusion. For example, the classical proof that the square root of 2 is irrational is done in this way- by assuming that sqrt(2) is the ratio of two integers and then demonstrating that this requires both to be even, i.e., divisible by 2.

By demonstrating that some of the more popular truther fantasies logically require technical absurdities and/or a conspiracy of infinite scope, you've been doing a really great job of proving them wrong. Congratulations.

Prove it was not!

You may find it helpful to read a bit about the argument from ignorance and the burden of proof before pulling out a standard conspiracist canard that rotted away to dust before you were born.

 

[9/11-investigator]

I assume you believe Zalewski is a Jew, since after all, his name looks unusual. Not likely, from the name; it has every appearance of being Polish. Does that matter to you?.

Zalewski is certainly a Polish name, just as Silverstein is an American name.

I do not know the guy personally so I have to rely on google. Several sites claim he is Jewish (none that he is not), but it is possible that these sites parrot each other. One distinct source (maybe the only one), the truther Dick Eastmann says he is. What else can I do? There are many sources that clearly state that Zalewski is a Jewish name: here, here, here, here, here , here , here and here.

On the other hand I have found Zalewski's who were catholic and even a nazi.

So from the point of view of 9/11-investigation he is a very interesting character, to put it mildly, somebody to keep in mind. If he is Jewish or not remains to be confirmed.

P.S. the first plane that crashed under Zalewski's eyes had many high-ranking Egyptian officers on board. The Egyptian pilot was said to have committed suicide.

 

[Trojan]

Back to the ACARS/remote control busines:

So who updated the flight path to one with destination New York rather than Los Angeles? Here is a possible candidate: Pete Zalewski. What is extremely interesting about this fellow is that he as a flight controller 'handled' 3 (three) hijacked airliners in his life that all crashed: AA11, AA175 and Egypt Air 990. Quite a coincidence!

Here a detailed account of Pete Zalewski's actions during 9/11.

Here is an excellent German documentary '9/11 false flag' (72 min., English subtitles). In minute 15:00-17:10 the German historian Andreas Hauß refers to Pete Zalewski and the curious fact that he 'handled' the 3 flights mentioned. Hauß even handed in a complaint of an offense to the German authorities concerning the attacks of 9/11 explicitly mentioning Pete Zalewski.

When one searches a bit deeper into this character Zalewski one will find that he would fit rather well in my ICT.

Could it be that it was Zalewski who sent an updated flight plan to AA11 and UA175 (and Egypt Air 990) changing course from Los Angeles to New York? Three crashing planes for this very young flight controller is too much to be a coincidence.

So the claim is that an air traffic controller took control to the air liner? And he did this while under the watchful eye of his supervisor and the unknown number of co-workers in the immediate area.

Is this a capability that only he had, or is this a capability common to all air traffic controllers? If only he had this capability, how did he hide his actions? If its a common capability, why is it unknown to the world at large and how has the FAA managed to keep this a secret?

 

[defaultdotxbe]

There are many sources that clearly state that Zalewski is a Jewish name: here, here, here, here, here , here , here and here.

did you just search for "zelewski jewish" and post anything that came up? you clearly didnt even read them, as none of them claim zalewski is a jewish name

the first link indicates someone names Zelewski, D, owned a restaurant on Kilinskiego street in Szczuczynm Poland in 1929

the second indicates 2 people named Zalewski came to Philidelphia from Radzilow in 1921, the list also indactes they were not jewish

the third, iondicates at least one jewish person living in Lulutów was named Zalewski, however there is no indication thatit is a jewish surname

the next is an artical about genoma mapping co-authored by someone named Zalewski

the 5th is a jewish geneology project that contains links to similar projects (including one tracing the surname Zalewski)

the 6th indicated a jewish man was named Aleksander Zalewski (this again does not make it a jewish name)

the 7th references a book, Kabbalah of the Golden Dawn, written by someone named Zalewski

the 7th is a wiki article referencing the same book



now if you had bothered to look up zalewski at all you would have foudn this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zalewski

Zalewski (feminine: Zalewska, plural Zalewscy) is one of the surnames in Poland and Podlachia.


The surname has a Slavic or more specifically Polish origin.


Alternate spellings include Zelewski, Zaleski, Zeleski, Zalewska, Zalescy and Salewski.


The form Zalewski is a mutated version of Zaleski. This mutation was the consequence of many regional influences and the creation of various derivates to suit the local nomenclature, e.g. Chotomow / Chotomowski / Chotomoski. The original form Zaleski was derived from a place called Zalesie or Zalas, which literally means "an area close to a forest, behind a forest". It is difficult to assess which regions were primarily connected with it, because of the significant number of villages by such names.


Another possible ethymology for one of the forms of Zalewski surname comes from a topographic name for someone who lived by a flood plain or bay. Two locations that this may be connected to are Zalew in Sieradz voivodeship or Zalewo in Olsztyn voivodeship.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

the 7th is a wiki article referencing the same book

that should be 8th

 

[Dr Adequate]

No. Remote control is not just 'any hypothesis', it is the logical consequence of the truthers argument that WTC was brought down by controlled demolition.

Yes, just as a massive conspiracy of cartographers is the logical consequence of the nonexistence of Belgium.

 

[Dr Adequate]

Really? You ignored this Wiki quote: "This feature gave the airline the capability to update FMSs while in flight".

Let me get this straight: flight control is the MASTER and the pilot is the SLAVE, is it not? We cannot have situations like flight control saying 'please go to 30,000 feet' and the pilot responding: 'I do not feel like it, I am going to eat my sandwich with peanut butter first and maybe, just maybe I will go to 25,000 feet after a visit to the bath room. Duh'. So what's the point of 'evaluating a flight plan'? Is this a sort of 'democracy in action' or what?

Why do you think they have pilots?

In any case, unless you're hypothesising that the pilots flew the planes into the towers because air trafficb control told them to, I don't see the relevance of your remarks.

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More about FMSs:

Flight management system^WP: "The flight management system (FMS) is the avionics that holds the flight plan, and allows the pilot to modify as required in flight ... Given the flight plan and the aircraft's position, the FMS calculates the course to follow. The pilot can follow this course manually (much like following a VOR radial), or the autopilot can be set to follow the course."

Congratulations, you've found yet another gizmo that doesn't allow Mossad to fly jumbo jets by remote control.

 

[twinstead]

Great. It appears the 'truth' movement is made of aspiring science fiction/adventure script writers.

 

[doobiedoright]

Prove it was not!

You have things all mixed up in your head!
It is not I that has to prove anything,you made the claim now prove it or shut up!

 

[9/11-investigator]

did you just search for "zelewski jewish" and post anything that came up? you clearly didnt even read them, as none of them claim zalewski is a jewish name

the first link indicates someone names Zelewski, D, owned a restaurant on Kilinskiego street in Szczuczynm Poland in 1929

the second indicates 2 people named Zalewski came to Philidelphia from Radzilow in 1921, the list also indactes they were not jewish

the third, iondicates at least one jewish person living in Lulutów was named Zalewski, however there is no indication thatit is a jewish surname

the next is an artical about genoma mapping co-authored by someone named Zalewski

the 5th is a jewish geneology project that contains links to similar projects (including one tracing the surname Zalewski)

the 6th indicated a jewish man was named Aleksander Zalewski (this again does not make it a jewish name)

the 7th references a book, Kabbalah of the Golden Dawn, written by someone named Zalewski

the 7th is a wiki article referencing the same book



now if you had bothered to look up zalewski at all you would have foudn this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zalewski

First link look for "The majority of the surnames, however, are Jewish and the families are known to have deep roots in Szczuczyn"

Second link has the caption "Jewish Immigrants From Radzilow"

The third link has a caption: "The following is a list of all surnames contained in Jewish civil records of the town of Lulutów in the Lodz JRI-Poland/PSA Archives project."

The fourth link is an article about "Familial Mediterranean fever in non-Ashkenazi Jews"

5th and 6th link as you state yourself; 7th/8th are double indeed.

I do not say that Zalewski is an exclusively Jewish name like Cohen is, but that there are plenty of Jews named Zalewski. I myself state in my post that I found Catholics named Zalewski and even a nazi named Zalewski (although this chap according to Wikipedia was complaining that: "A source of considerable annoyance for him was that three of his sisters married Jewish men" ). I explicitly said that the matter is not settled.

 

[9/11-investigator]

Why do you think they have pilots?

- to give the passengers a sense of safety.
- pilots do not have null pointer exceptions (like the first Ariane-V had; is a rocket but you get the point).

In any case, unless you're hypothesising that the pilots flew the planes into the towers because air trafficb control told them to, I don't see the relevance of your remarks.

While admiring my own patience... the hypothesis is that these planes flew into the towers regardless of what the regular pilots felt, wanted or were dead or alive. The idea is that somebody (Zalewski or somebody else) was able to send a new target course into the FMS.

More about FMSs:

Flight management system^WP: "The flight management system (FMS) is the avionics that holds the flight plan, and allows the pilot to modify as required in flight ... Given the flight plan and the aircraft's position, the FMS calculates the course to follow. The pilot can follow this course manually (much like following a VOR radial), or the autopilot can be set to follow the course."

Congratulations, you've found yet another gizmo that doesn't allow Mossad to fly jumbo jets by remote control.

No you did not: pilot fingers need to tip on keys to enter a flight plan; keys are read electronically, probably by a microprocessor, since we are not talking about switching on a light bulb. These keys can in principle be disabled.

Somebody mentioned earlier that maintenance personnel regularly came with floppies to update the FMS software. This is another possibility that somewhere in the software there is an extra line of code that goes like this

if (sysdate.equals(Date.format("20010911")) && flightplan.isUpdated() == true)
panel.setEnabled(false);

It's even possible that this updated software did the trick all by itself letting Poor Pete of the hook (but then there is this Air Egypt flight 990).

 

[Dr Adequate]

What you are basically doing (and I did not expect that from you) is implicitly linking 'my' ICT with the dreaded anti-semitism juggernaut and thereby implicitly stating that your Arab Conspiracy Theory is of a different moral order. I deny that.

You would.

I, however, feel that if you're going to accuse people of mass murder, there is a difference between based one's conclusions on the evidence, as I have done, and basing one's rejection of all the evidence on one's prejudged conclusion, as you have done.

 

[ellindsey]

No you did not: pilot fingers need to tip on keys to enter a flight plan; keys are read electronically, probably by a microprocessor, since we are not talking about switching on a light bulb. These keys can in principle be disabled.

The unavoidable problem you still have here (aside from the fact that the FMS isn't capable of overriding pilot controls) is that the pilots have the ability to physically disconnect power from the entire flight management system and autopilot. In the cockpit are located banks of circuit breakers which directly physically control power to everything in the airplane which needs electricity to run. These are physical hardware switches which cannot be overridden by software. No amount of altered code in a microprocessor will allow it to continue operating without power.

When the autopilot begins operating strangely, the pilots will begin disconnecting power to everything that might be responsible. This includes the FMS, the autopilot and its servos, the various sensors which the autopilot needs in order to fly, and the radios receiving commands from the ground. If necessary the pilots can and will pull the circuit breakers for the engine generators and batteries, which will disconnect all electrical power in the airplane. The hydraulic controls needed to fly the airplane are directly driven by the engines, and the flight controls and hydraulic boosters are mechanical devices which need no electric power to operate, so it is still possible to fly the plane with no electric power at all.

With rudimentary controls and no radio or navigation gear it's not recommended, but on a clear sunny day like 9-11-2001 it would still be possible for them to visually find an airport and make an emergency landing. This is not just a hypothetical example, but has actually happened.

The switches which control electrical power are not in any way controlled by any computer or controllable from anything outside the plane. They are physical switches. Preventing the pilots from disconnecting power to your remote control system will require massive modifications to the airplane's electrical systems. Physical changes, requiring taking the plane out of service, opening up access panels, and spending some time rerouting wires and bypassing switches. You have to do this to all four airplanes without the airlines and pilots noticing, and without the unscheduled maintenance being recorded in the airline's log books.

And even if you've totally rewired the airplane's electrical system, the pilots aren't going to just give up at that. They'll take whatever drastic steps they need to regain control, including sending someone into the avionics bay to take a fire axe to the flight control systems.

 

[240-185]

It reminds me some antisemitic moron who claimed that Bazant was a jew because "Zdenek" is a jewish first name, it looked like "Zderoth" in Israel, whereas it was a czech first name...

 

[SDC]

Sorry to harp on Zalewski, so to speak... Have you informed him, or anyone at all, that you are Hot on his Trail? Do you have any evidence of his nefarious deeds? Surely you have tried.

 

[defaultdotxbe]

First link look for "The majority of the surnames, however, are Jewish and the families are known to have deep roots in Szczuczyn"

this doesnt mean zalewski is a jewish surname, theres no indication whether the 1 person listed with that name is in the majority or minority

Second link has the caption "Jewish Immigrants From Radzilow"

both zalewskis appear under the caption "Non-Jews from Radzilow"

way to read your own source

The third link has a caption: "The following is a list of all surnames contained in Jewish civil records of the town of Lulutów in the Lodz JRI-Poland/PSA Archives project."

a jewish person having a name does not make it a jewish name

The fourth link is an article about "Familial Mediterranean fever in non-Ashkenazi Jews"

yes it is, however the name zalewski appears in the author credit, not the article itself (again, way to read your own sources)

does that mean Budge is an ancient egyptian surname?

5th and 6th link as you state yourself

once again, a jewish person having a name does not make it a jewish name

7th/8th are double indeed.

and do not support your claim

I do not say that Zalewski is an exclusively Jewish name like Cohen is, but that there are plenty of Jews named Zalewski. I myself state in my post that I found Catholics named Zalewski and even a nazi named Zalewski (although this chap according to Wikipedia was complaining that: "A source of considerable annoyance for him was that three of his sisters married Jewish men" ). I explicitly said that the matter is not settled.

its not an exclusively jewish name, nor is it a name of jewish origin, as indicated by the article i quoted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zalewski

 

[9/11-investigator]

I, however, feel that if you're going to accuse people of mass murder, there is a difference between based one's conclusions on the evidence, as I have done, and basing one's rejection of all the evidence on one's prejudged conclusion, as you have done.

It's all well and fine that you believe in 'your' theory (or rather Fox News, NIST, Chertoff's nephew's theory) but in real life references from Mum or yourselves don't count.

You have to accept that a substantial part of the (global) population has a different view on who carried out the 9/11 mass murder:

http://www.911blogger.com/node/17718

According to this survey there are 3 candidates:

1-Arabs (46%), 2-US inside job (15%), 3-Israel (7%)

And we're going to find out who really did it.