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House Impeachment Inquiry

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Skeptic Ginger said:
It would have to be such a massive shift in support of impeachment among republicans that the chance of it happening is unlikely.

The way I see it, republicans have a choice:
- Stick behind Trump. Probably lose the next election, but at least put in a decent fight
- Impeach Trump and get slaughtered in 2020. (Yes, many republicans will probably stuck with the party, but in elections, a few percentage points of support can make a big difference, and there are probably enough hard-core Trump fans that the republicans would be in real trouble if they turned on him.)
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Or don't and get slaughtered if the testimony turns more of the public against Trump. His base is still a minority and that means it depends on the breakdown state by state when it comes to Senate seats.
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Trump's base (i.e. the ones who have gone "full retard", and are more for Trump than the GOP in general) may only be a minority, but when you have elections that are decided by a few thousand votes, a small minority who decides "I liked Trump and won't vote for Pence in 2020 or my local senator because they voted Trump out" could have a big effect.

Many senators have an approval rating only a few percentage higher than their disapproval.
 
I believe Bolton has been mentioned before, but it looks like there are stronger indications he might testify in the hearings...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/25/joh...in-contact-with-trump-impeachment-panels.html
Lawyers for former national security advisor John Bolton have been in touch with officials working on House committees about possibly testifying in the impeachment probe of President...The news comes more than a week after the White House’s former top Europe expert, Fiona Hill, reportedly testified to Congress that Bolton was so disturbed by efforts to get Ukraine to investigate Trump’s political opponents that he called it a “drug deal.” Hill said that Bolton told her he did not want to be part of that push, which involved White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, according to reports of her testimony.

Not a fan of Bolton, but seeing one republican turn on other republicans is rather fun to watch, isn't it?
 
theprestige said:
It's been around for at least a year, I think. Is it new to you? Congrats on being one of today's lucky 10,000!
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Goodness. The whole point of that cartoon is that it is better not to mock someone for learning something new today. Did you read it to the end? Lots of words, I know.

Besides, the point is that Never-Trumper has a certain resurgence this week, not that it was coined this week. Duh. (hence "new Term of the Week", not "New Term of the Week".)
 
Segnosaur said:
Most likely a distraction, pure and simple.

Although the hearings have been closed to the public, what we have heard has been very damaging to Trump. Now, instead of pointing out "Person X provides evidence against Trump", we are now talking about the GOP stunt. (And if they can somehow paint themselves as "fighting the power", all the better for them. Just like those 60s-era protests.)
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It’s not “a distraction.”

It is an attack on the United States Congress.

It is treason.
 
phiwum said:
Goodness. The whole point of that cartoon is that it is better not to mock someone for learning something new today. Did you read it to the end? Lots of words, I know.
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I wouldn't use xkcd mean-spiritedly. Randall Munroe deserves better, even if no one else does. No, references to the ten thousand are one of my few ways of saying something nice, and trying to be a better human being. I sincerely think it's great if alfaniner is just now discovering it. I think it's a good term, worth knowing about. It's also cool if he already knew it. And I'm glad it's making a resurgence, if for no other reason than it reminds people that the GOP establishment isn't actually all pro-Trump.

Anyway, yeah. xkcd is good stuff, and sometimes it's fun to be nice.
 
theprestige said:
I wouldn't use xkcd mean-spiritedly. Randall Munroe deserves better, even if no one else does. No, references to the ten thousand are one of my few ways of saying something nice, and trying to be a better human being. I sincerely think it's great if alfaniner is just now discovering it. I think it's a good term, worth knowing about. It's also cool if he already knew it. And I'm glad it's making a resurgence, if for no other reason than it reminds people that the GOP establishment isn't actually all pro-Trump.

Anyway, yeah. xkcd is good stuff, and sometimes it's fun to be nice.
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Nothing alfaniner said suggests he just learned the term.

Tru reading youI the end of my post.
 
dudalb said:
One person at work had an interesting idea;If it really looks bad Trump will do an LBJ...not resign but announce he has decided not to run for relection. That way he could claim he left of his own volition, and can play kingmaker in the Republcian contest.
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I can't see him doing that, but if so, it would a great thing if it went as well for them as it did for the Dems in '68.
 
phiwum said:
Nothing alfaniner said suggests he just learned the term.
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Nothing suggests otherwise. And nothing he said changes the spirit in which I replied. I'm sincerely sorry if I caused any unpleasantness. My intent was celebratory.

Tru reading youI the end of my post.
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The part where you were making personal attacks? I was hoping we could just forget about that. Would you like me to report it, instead?
 
theprestige said:
Nothing suggests otherwise. And nothing he said changes the spirit in which I replied. I'm sincerely sorry if I caused any unpleasantness. My intent was celebratory.


The part where you were making personal attacks? I was hoping we could just forget about that. Would you like me to report it, instead?
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Feel free. Telling you that you ignored the last paragraph of my post is not a personal attack in my opinion, but if you feel otherwise, I reckon the system is there for a reason. Seek justice if you wish.

(Sincere apologies for once again having typos out the wazoo in that post, by the way. I don't know why I ever both posting via the phone. I hate that keyboard.)
 
Marcus said:
That would be interesting. Have any other Republicans even expressed an interest in running?
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Not while the king is still on the throne.
But if Trump were to resign or not run again, there would be no shortage of candidates.
 
I think the GOP stunt on Wendesday was stupid, phony theatrics of the worst kind, but Some people are really overeacting to it.
 
Segnosaur said:
I believe Bolton has been mentioned before, but it looks like there are stronger indications he might testify in the hearings...

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/25/joh...in-contact-with-trump-impeachment-panels.html
Lawyers for former national security advisor John Bolton have been in touch with officials working on House committees about possibly testifying in the impeachment probe of President...The news comes more than a week after the White House’s former top Europe expert, Fiona Hill, reportedly testified to Congress that Bolton was so disturbed by efforts to get Ukraine to investigate Trump’s political opponents that he called it a “drug deal.” Hill said that Bolton told her he did not want to be part of that push, which involved White House chief of staff Mick Mulvaney, according to reports of her testimony.

Not a fan of Bolton, but seeing one republican turn on other republicans is rather fun to watch, isn't it?
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I don't like Bolton at all, but I think he does have some genuine principals, as much as I might disagree with them. Trump has no principal except Trump and his ego.
 
dudalb said:
I don't like Bolton at all, but I think he does have some genuine principals principles, as much as I might disagree with them. Trump has no principal principle except Trump and his ego.
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This is picky I know.

And I agree.
 
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phiwum said:
Feel free. Telling you that you ignored the last paragraph of my post is not a personal attack in my opinion, but if you feel otherwise, I reckon the system is there for a reason. Seek justice if you wish.
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My bad. The personal attack was at the end of your first paragraph. I actually addressed your second paragraph, so I don't know where you got that I was ignoring it. Maybe because I didn't quote it? I'm sorry for the confusion.
 
Some good news for the Democrats on the legal front front:

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/...grand-jury-material-to-house-democrats-000299
A federal judge on Friday ruled that the Justice Department must turn over former special counsel Robert Mueller's grand jury evidence to the House Judiciary Committee...
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In a double victory for Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Judge Beryl Howell — the chief federal judge in Washington — ruled that the impeachment inquiry Democrats have launched is valid even though the House hasn't taken a formal vote on it. The decision rejects arguments by DOJ and congressional Republicans that a formal vote is necessary to launch impeachment proceedings.


Expect more whining from the Republicans.
 
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