House Impeachment Inquiry

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GB, you are ignoring the fundamental difference to the level of accountability between a Presidential Candidate and an active President: no matter what is going on with Biden, it will never be as relevant as what is going on with Trump - simply because one is President and the other isn't.
To claim that the press is too focused on Trump is just silly - it is focused on whoever is in the White House.
 
GB, you are ignoring the fundamental difference to the level of accountability between a Presidential Candidate and an active President: no matter what is going on with Biden, it will never be as relevant as what is going on with Trump - simply because one is President and the other isn't.
To claim that the press is too focused on Trump is just silly - it is focused on whoever is in the White House.
Biden is a prospective candidate for POTUS. He could beat Trump out, so the questions are entirely relevant in that context, just not the main issue of the threads OP.

The media bias on the other hand is systemic
 
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Notice how Bidens involvement in getting a ukranian prosecutor fired when his son had a stake in that company gets very little attention and isnt held accountable...
blind to that...

Biden's actions were not corrupt. There is nothing to hold him accountable for. This is a false equivalency, and I'm sure you believe it but it is an increadibly dumb false equivalency.

Biden's actions put the company at MORE risk. His son wasn't even at risk because he was a board member and not a time ttaveler.

You desperately want the dems to be just as bad but they are not. Golden Mean is a fallacy.
 
Notice how Bidens involvement in getting a ukranian prosecutor fired when his son had a stake in that company gets very little attention and isnt held accountable...

That's because Hunter Biden had nothing to do with it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...r-joe-investigation-impeachment-a9147001.html

his son’s gas company – has already been widely debunked.

Put simply, the chronology doesn’t work – the investigation into Burisma, where Hunter worked, was dormant by the time Shokin was pushed out. It would also represent a major historical anomaly. During Shokin’s 13 months in office, not one major figure was convicted. No oligarch. No politician. No ranking bureaucrat. It would appear unlikely he was in the middle of breaking the habit with the Bidens.

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Lack of aggression was a description many would use for Shokin’s approach to the job in his third spell. Two of the people interviewed for this article described the former chief prosecutor as “lazy”, and uninterested in real investigations. Others noted a penchant for bonding with oligarchs over vodka in the bathhouse.

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The approach of Shokin’s office to the Burisma investigations fell into a well-practiced pattern of corruption, the anonymous prosecutor says. By the time of Biden’s intervention, there were no active investigations to speak of.

“If the idea was to get a result on the Burisma case, Shokin would have put his top people on it,” he says. “That didn’t happen. The aims were different.”

Investigations into Burisma, which only ever covered the period from before Hunter Biden’s involvement in the company, were finally settled in 2016. An audio recording purporting to be of Petro Poroshenko in conversation with another gas tycoon acting as a mediator, offered some clues as to the sequencing. In it, the two men talk about a “global solution” to Burisma’s problems: redirecting cashflows to Poroshenko’s companies.

Poroshenko’s spokespeople have described the recordings as fake, but not everyone is convinced.

“Neither Shokin nor Poroshenko wanted to investigate [Burisma owner Mykola​] Zlochevsky,” says Sakvarelidze. “They simply began a criminal case, arrested a few assets, and began negotiating with the corruptioneer for a bribe.”

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“Shokin impeded those fighting for justice,” said Vitaly Tytych, a lawyer representing the families of the victims. “It is wrong to call what he did investigations. Because if there is one thing Shokin never did it is investigate.”

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By the time Joe Biden arrived in Kiev in December 2015 to issue his infamous ultimatum, Shokin had lost the support of all but 3.5 per cent of Ukrainians.

Many MPs were also clamouring for his dismissal.

First among them was Yehor Soboliev, then a reformist MP of the Samopomich faction and chair of the parliamentary anti-corruption committee. In July 2015, Soboliev pressed for a vote on Shokin’s ousting. The arithmetic was always against him, as the general prosecutor was a figure of the ruling coalition. But he came surprisingly close, collecting 127 signatures from a required 150. Several members of the ruling parties broke ranks to support his move.

“We were under no illusions,” Soboliev tells The Independent. “We saw how Shokin had made an art of dumping cases while pretending to investigate. How he was a symbol of ineffectiveness and stalling. How he was the embodiment of the post-Soviet prosecutor.”

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...orced-out-ukraines-top-prosecutor/3785620002/

At the heart of Congress' probe into the president's actions is his claim that former Vice President and 2020 Democratic frontrunner Joe Biden strong-armed the Ukrainian government to fire its top prosecutor in order to thwart an investigation into a company tied to his son, Hunter Biden.

But sources ranging from former Obama administration officials to an anti-corruption advocate in Ukraine say the official, Viktor Shokin, was ousted for the opposite reason Trump and his allies claim.

It wasn't because Shokin was investigating a natural gas company tied to Biden's son; it was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians, according to a Ukrainian official and four former American officials who specialized in Ukraine and Europe.

Shokin's inaction prompted international calls for his ouster and ultimately resulted in his removal by Ukraine's parliament.

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Trump and his personal attorney Rudy Giuliani claim Biden did this to quash Shokin's investigation into Ukraine's largest gas company, Burisma Holdings, and its owner, oligarch Mykola Zlochevsky.

They say this benefited Biden's son, Hunter Biden, who served on Burisma's board of directors – for which he was paid $50,000 a month.

Their assertion is contradicted by former diplomatic officials who were following the issue at the time.

Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.

Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau.

The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

If Biden wanted to protect his son from investigation, he would have advocated for Shokin, not against.
 
... Notice how Bidens involvement in getting a ukranian prosecutor fired when his son had a stake in that company gets very little attention and isnt held accountable...
Hook, line, and sinker. And a reminder that if a lie is repeated, suckers will believe it.

Study assignment: (1) Timeline (2) US/Euro policy concerning the prosecutor
 
Notice how Bidens involvement in getting a ukranian prosecutor fired when his son had a stake in that company gets very little attention and isnt held accountable...

Except that you picked the wrong example, showing that you get your information at least in part from a pro-Trump bubble.

The removal of that prosecutor was done on behalf of the President, not on Joe's own initiative, was supported by the international community and the people of Ukraine, and that removal was probably a bad thing for Hunter's company there. The argument that Joe Biden's pressure on Ukraine was to benefit his son simply ignores the hard facts.
 
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Biden is a prospective candidate for POTUS. He could beat Trump out, so the questions are entirely relevant in that context, just not the main issue of the threads OP.

The media bias on the other hand is systemic

And I'm all in favor for putting that kind of pressure on Biden once he is President.
But he isn't.

So please stop this false equivalency, unless you want Trump indicted like he wasn't in Office.
 
And I'm all in favor for putting that kind of pressure on Biden once he is President.
But he isn't.

So please stop this false equivalency, unless you want Trump indicted like he wasn't in Office.

I disagree. It is appropriate to investigate possible wrongdoing from candidates as well as officeholders.

The issue here isn't that wrongdoing by Biden isn't important. It's that Grizzly is swallowing the hook, line and sinker on a story that is ********.

(I'll go out on a limb here. My certainty that it's a ******** story comes in my faith of certain news sources, especially NPR and PBS. I'll reckon that Grizzly disputes such sources as "fake news". (S)he can correct this impression if I'm wrong.)
 
I disagree. It is appropriate to investigate possible wrongdoing from candidates as well as officeholders.

The issue here isn't that wrongdoing by Biden isn't important. It's that Grizzly is swallowing the hook, line and sinker on a story that is ********.

(I'll go out on a limb here. My certainty that it's a ******** story comes in my faith of certain news sources, especially NPR and PBS. I'll reckon that Grizzly disputes such sources as "fake news". (S)he can correct this impression if I'm wrong.)

you are missing my point:
because Trump is President, he gets more scrutiny than a mere Candidate - that doesn't mean no scrutiny, and the press has given him plenty, before and now.
But GB seems to think it's unfair of the MSM not to talk at least as much about Biden as about Trump - which is a false equivalency.
 
you are missing my point:
because Trump is President, he gets more scrutiny than a mere Candidate - that doesn't mean no scrutiny, and the press has given him plenty, before and now.
But GB seems to think it's unfair of the MSM not to talk at least as much about Biden as about Trump - which is a false equivalency.

Maybe so, but Grizzly could counter that the Biden issue is being under-reported, even though it doesn't warrant literally equal coverage. That would seem a plausible position, but for the fact that the Biden issue has received enough coverage to dismiss it as a real issue.

In fact, I didn't see Grizzly argue that the Biden thing ought to get the exact same coverage as the Trump thing, only that it was under-reported.
 
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Maybe so, but Grizzly could counter that the Biden issue is being under-reported, even though it doesn't warrant literally equal coverage. That would seem a plausible position, but for the fact that the Biden issue has received enough coverage to dismiss it as a real issue.

IF there was a case against Biden, Barr would have taken it up - it's as simple as that. If GB or anyone else thinks Biden got away with a crime, they can ask him.
 
Except that you picked the wrong example, showing that you get your information at least in part from a pro-Trump bubble.

The removal of that prosecutor was done on behalf of the President, not on Joe's own initiative, was supported by the international community and the people of Ukraine, and that removal was probably a bad thing for Hunter's company there. The argument that Joe Biden's pressure on Ukraine was to benefit his son simply ignores the hard facts.

It doesn't so much ignore as reverse them.
 
you are missing my point:
because Trump is President, he gets more scrutiny than a mere Candidate - that doesn't mean no scrutiny, and the press has given him plenty, before and now.
But GB seems to think it's unfair of the MSM not to talk at least as much about Biden as about Trump - which is a false equivalency.
At least Trump provides balanced coverage. Everything he says about himself is a lie, and everything he says about Biden is a lie. :cool:
 
Hey, now wait a second! We don't want to give conservatives even more evidence that Democrats are so much better at hiding their corruption now, do we? LOL!

I think that's pretty much at the core of most anti-liberal bias: the belief that both sides do the same kind of ****, but one is so much better at getting away with it.
 
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