House Impeachment Inquiry

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When I hear these calls for "civility" a picture forms in my head.

I'm having a lovely picnic in the park with my friends when suddenly a 1920's silent movie villain shows up, throws our picnic basket over a cliff and ties my friends to the train tracks.

When I say "What the **** are you doing?" a bunch of people with the villain's face on their t-shirts show up to say "That language really isn't called for".
 
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theprestige said:
I was actually thinking more about being more tolerant and civil, and not just trying to invalidate or dismiss everything you disagree with. Progressives converting to conservatives didn't strike me as obvious, practical, or necessary. I'm sorry you can only see it in those terms. I hope you find a different viewpoint.
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Tolerance and civility have no place in confronting treason.
 
Even though events in Syria are outside the impeachment investigation...

The phenomenal degree of bumbling and the results thereof -- condemnation from his own party, events in Syria that will continue to show on the news for the foreseeable future -- will help the impeachment effort, which ultimately is about public opinion.
 
varwoche said:
Even though events in Syria are outside the impeachment investigation...

The phenomenal degree of bumbling and the results thereof -- condemnation from his own party, events in Syria that will continue to show on the news for the foreseeable future -- will help the impeachment effort, which ultimately is about public opinion.
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Maybe when he starts bombing our bases here in the States.
 
If someone were to tell you, "President Trump is abusing the power of his office for personal gain", you'd have to ask them to be more specific.
 
kellyb said:
Exposing him as a liar alone definitely won't do it.

They're going to have to out him as a LOSER. Someone getting his **** kicked. Someone who is NOT safe for them to be associated with, because he's small and weak and pathetic compared to his betters.
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I think Syria may be the issue that shows that he is "a LOSER. Someone getting his **** kicked. Someone who is NOT safe for them to be associated with, because he's small and weak and pathetic compared to his betters."

He is getting waxed by everyone and it will be very hard for him to spin this to a win for everyone but his most ardent base. He's even publishing pictures of Pelosi dressing him down while the generals hang their heads in shame. For ***** sake that was weak and he didn't even realize it.
 
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The Great Zaganza said:
Trump just awarded the location of the next G7 summit to himself:

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/17/770367250/trumps-miami-golf-course-to-host-g-7-summit?t=1571334692193

yep, in a textbook definition of the violation of the Emoluments Clause, the President is ordering one of the biggest diplomatic events in the world to be held at his properties.

In normal times, this in itself would be sufficient for Impeachment.
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"We haven't found anything that could even come close to competing with it," Trump told reporters."​


I wonder how hard they looked.

:rolleyes:
 
quadraginta said:
"We haven't found anything that could even come close to competing with it," Trump told reporters."​


I wonder how hard they looked.

:rolleyes:
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Planner: How about spot X?

Trump: Do I own it?

Planner: No.

Trump: Next.

Planner: How about Y?

Trump: Do I own it?

Planner: No.

Trump: Next.

Rinse, repeat until his property was named.
 
The Great Zaganza said:
Trump just awarded the location of the next G7 summit to himself:

https://www.npr.org/2019/10/17/770367250/trumps-miami-golf-course-to-host-g-7-summit?t=1571334692193

yep, in a textbook definition of the violation of the Emoluments Clause, the President is ordering one of the biggest diplomatic events in the world to be held at his properties.

In normal times, this in itself would be sufficient for Impeachment.
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Agreed, but now it's just like getting a traffic ticket after being charged with murder.
 
I wonder if any of the committees are preparing a forensic accounting of the Inauguration Committee?
 
Grizzly Bear said:
I mean, when you look at the clown show going on in Congress generally I find it hard to disagree with him about the putrid state of any politics these days. Just my general commentary...
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Aah, the "both sides are corrupt" defense. Demonstrably incorrect.

I for one think the impeachment gig is a political show for the election season. Given that they seem hesitant to take the vote on moving it forward
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The investigation IS moving forward. The inquiry is gathering evidence to form articles of impeachment, which will be voted on. Or have you not been paying attention?
 
Grizzly Bear said:
I for one think the impeachment gig is a political show for the election season. Given that they seem hesitant to take the vote on moving it forward
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slyjoe said:
The investigation IS moving forward. The inquiry is gathering evidence to form articles of impeachment, which will be voted on. Or have you not been paying attention?
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It should be noted that during the impeachment hearings on Nixon, the House investigated and held private hearings for almost 6 months before the full House voted to open an impeachment inquiry. So it's not like the House is breaking new ground in how they are proceeding.

In theory, they could decide after the unofficial inquiry that they might not issue articles of impeachment. I doubt it since a great amount of impeachment worthy behaviour has been corroborated so far.
 
Grizzly Bear said:
I mean, when you look at the clown show going on in Congress generally I find it hard to disagree with him about the putrid state of any politics these days. Just my general commentary...

I for one think the impeachment gig is a political show for the election season. Given that they seem hesitant to take the vote on moving it forward
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You mean aside from taking the time to investigate to ensure there was a case for impeachment to be made, of course.

That's the normal course of events for such things, you know (that wasn't a question, BTW), evidence first, and then the impeachment.
 
It would be unwise to cave to Trump and take a house vote on moving forward. Such a vote is not required in the Constitution. It's not up to Trump to tell Congress how to do its business.
 
slyjoe said:
Aah, the "both sides are corrupt" defense. Demonstrably incorrect.
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It's only 'incorrect' because partisanship causes people to ignore things they dont like to hear. I'm not arguing for equal responsibility. But it's obvious from news coverage that issues Trump gets legitimately pinned on are largely ignored when it's not him or the Republicans doing it.

Notice how Bidens involvement in getting a ukranian prosecutor fired when his son had a stake in that company gets very little attention and isnt held accountable...

Much like this false dichotomy that anyone who voted for him can be nothing other than mysoginist racists and nazis. If you're wondering why I have a hard time taking politics seriously anymore theres your answer. But keep arguing that it's all one sided...

quadraginta said:
You mean aside from taking the time to investigate to ensure there was a case for impeachment to be made, of course.

That's the normal course of events for such things, you know (that wasn't a question, BTW), evidence first, and then the impeachment.
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They've voted on it three times during his term already. This vote to proceed on it will make 4. They can ultimately prove me wrong and do the impeachment but we have an election taking place in one year where voters could wind up removing him that way. I dont think people like Pelosi are blind to that...
 
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