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House Impeachment Inquiry

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theprestige said:
Speaking engagements. Book deals.

There's also reputation, legacy, and professional networks to think about, at this stage in her career. All of these interests can and should still be advanced, to whatever degree they are interests for her.
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You really are pushing the button hard. Pelosi is already wealthy. Maybe, just maybe she doesnt have that you can never have enough money mindset that seems to pervade the Republican party.
 
acbytesla said:
You really are pushing the button hard. Pelosi is already wealthy. Maybe, just maybe she doesnt have that you can never have enough money mindset that seems to pervade the Republican party.
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I assume she's further up Maslow's hierarchy of needs than mere concern for funds. You may have noticed my mention of higher-level rewards like reputation and legacy.

That said, it seems to me that for a lot of the really wealthy, money becomes a way of keeping score for their achievements. So at the lower levels of Maslow's pyramid, money is about meeting those low-level needs of food, shelter, etc. But at the higher levels, money is still relevant as a measure of personal success and satisfaction.

I don't know what exactly is Pelosi's relationship with her money, but unlike you I'm not prepared to rule it out as a motivator. In any case, I think it's clear that Pelosi still has a career, and still has a future that will be affected by how she handles the impeachment process, and I still think it's highly likely that she's charting a course with her future firmly in mind.
 
theprestige said:
I assume she's further up Maslow's hierarchy of needs than mere concern for funds. You may have noticed my mention of higher-level rewards like reputation and legacy.

That said, it seems to me that for a lot of the really wealthy, money becomes a way of keeping score for their achievements. So at the lower levels of Maslow's pyramid, money is about meeting those low-level needs of food, shelter, etc. But at the higher levels, money is still relevant as a measure of personal success and satisfaction.

I don't know what exactly is Pelosi's relationship with her money, but unlike you I'm not prepared to rule it out as a motivator. In any case, I think it's clear that Pelosi still has a career, and still has a future that will be affected by how she handles the impeachment process, and I still think it's highly likely that she's charting a course with her future firmly in mind.
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I do think her reputation is important to her. Character, integrity and public service do count to some people.
 
theprestige said:
I think that once we get past the quibbling about what "career advancement" really means, we actually agree more than one might expect.
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Calling it "career advancement" I believe does not fairly characterize her actions. Does she have motivation to do her job as best she can? I would think so. Your choice of words suggest that she puts her own wants above what she believes the right thing to do.
 
a_unique_person said:
That's the amazing thing. For his rusted on supporters, he is the epitome of eloquence and straight talking.
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Straight talking? Maybe. The conventional wisdom seems to be that there's a demographic of Trump voters who appreciate his idiom. But I think that the lack of eloquence is part of the appeal, there. Most people aren't polished public speakers. Most people tend to fumble a bit, or rework what they're saying as they go, or flail about from time to time looking for the right words.

Talking like a regular guy, instead of a practiced politician or academic, may in fact be one of his major sources of electoral appeal.
 
TragicMonkey said:
Not everyone is good at public speaking. It's a skill.


Also having a stupid brain infected with insanity and racked with nutritional deficit while shrinking in old age and increasing senility can't exactly help.
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You should be ashamed of yourself. Not mentioning the deleterious effects of consorting with elder gods... :rolleyes:
 
theprestige said:
Straight talking? Maybe. The conventional wisdom seems to be that there's a demographic of Trump voters who appreciate his idiom. But I think that the lack of eloquence is part of the appeal, there. Most people aren't polished public speakers. Most people tend to fumble a bit, or rework what they're saying as they go, or flail about from time to time looking for the right words.

Talking like a regular guy, instead of a practiced politician or academic, may in fact be one of his major sources of electoral appeal.
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That's probably true. Many people are poorly educated and are intimidated by people that are. They're more comfortable with a moron leading the country.
 
acbytesla said:
Calling it "career advancement" I believe does not fairly characterize her actions. Does she have motivation to do her job as best she can? I would think so. Your choice of words suggest that she puts her own wants above what she believes the right thing to do.
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Given everything we know about career politicians, and career humans in general, I think that's a reasonable suggestion. I understand that if you believe the Democrat establishment is all public service, doing the right thing without regard for personal benefit, this suggestion might rankle. For my part, I'm content to stop pushing the button whenever you are. Maybe we should just tag this one "unproven" and move on?
 
acbytesla said:
That's probably true. Many people are poorly educated and are intimidated by people that are. They're more comfortable with a moron leading the country.
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That's a pretty hateful thing to say about millions of real people, with real lives and concerns. I think you should reconsider selling your fellow citizens so short.
 
theprestige said:
That's a pretty hateful thing to say about millions of real people, with real lives and concerns. I think you should reconsider selling your fellow citizens so short.
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I'm not saying anything you basically didn't say in your post. You suggested that a moron who can barely put two sentences together appeals to the masses. Didn't you? Or did I misunderstand your post?
 
acbytesla said:
I'm not saying anything you basically didn't say in your post. You suggested that a moron who can barely put two sentences together appeals to the masses. Didn't you? Or did I misunderstand your post?
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Hard pass. We were having a conversation there, for a moment. Now it's turned into yet another episode of Two Minutes Hate. Being your foil for this kind of thing doesn't work for me at all. If that's how you want to see me, I'm out.
 
theprestige said:
Hard pass. We were having a conversation there, for a moment. Now it's turned into yet another episode of Two Minutes Hate. Being your foil for this kind of thing doesn't work for me at all. If that's how you want to see me, I'm out.
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You just said that I made a hateful comment about the masses.

You said that they appreciated Trump's nonsensical way of speaking. That this was his appeal. I think you were absolutely right. A lot of people are intimidated by smart people. There's a reason no one likes the smartest person in the room and are more comfortable around the class clown making fart noises.

And if you don't think Trump is a moron, I challenge you to read his speeches. It's a morass of bad grammar and ridiculous statements. It's downright embarrassing.

Every single one of your posts whether I agree or disagree with them demonstrates far more intellectual power than 65 percent of Trump's tweets. I have to assume that someone else writes the ones that make sense.
 
theprestige said:
That's a pretty hateful thing to say about millions of real people, with real lives and concerns. I think you should reconsider selling your fellow citizens so short.
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Oh, you mean the people that like to parade in shirts that say "******* Your Feelings", "Trump that Bitch" and "Better Russian than Democrat". Those people? Yeah, I think we've given them every opportunity they've ever deserved to be taken seriously. Enough. Holla at me when they decide to give the rest of us some respect for a change.
 
theprestige said:
That's a pretty hateful thing to say about millions of real people, with real lives and concerns. I think you should reconsider selling your fellow citizens so short.
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There's nothing wrong with hating people who deserve hatred. It's good for the country, Trump supporters being a lesser, hated other.
 
Craig4 said:
There's nothing wrong with hating people who deserve hatred. It's good for the country, Trump supporters being a lesser, hated other.
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I don't hate them. Not even close. I'm disappointed that they take the lazy way. Critical thinking means you challenge everything including your self. They just refuse to do it because they are afraid of change.

Its like this Waco Kid quote.

What did you expect? "Welcome, sonny"? "Make yourself at home"? "Marry my daughter"? You've got to remember that these are just simple farmers. These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West.

You know......... morons.
 
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