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House Impeachment Inquiry

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Skeptic Ginger said:
Thanks PW for the links and everyone for the info on Hunter B.



There was a meme on this upthread but here are some links on it:

Kellyanne Conway is trying to insert the talking point, Pelosi was coerced by the men in her caucus.

Boston Globe: Kellyanne Conway Says Pelosi Succumbed to Pressure from Men on Impeachment

HuffPo words it differently: Kellyanne Conway Lobs Sexist Dig At Nancy Pelosi, Says She Caved To Men On Impeachment


I wonder how long it took Conway to come up with that one?
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With that kind of reasoning, I wonder if she's a trumper just because her husband isn't.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
Thanks PW for the links and everyone for the info on Hunter B.



There was a meme on this upthread but here are some links on it:

Kellyanne Conway is trying to insert the talking point, Pelosi was coerced by the men in her caucus.

Boston Globe: Kellyanne Conway Says Pelosi Succumbed to Pressure from Men on Impeachment

HuffPo words it differently: Kellyanne Conway Lobs Sexist Dig At Nancy Pelosi, Says She Caved To Men On Impeachment


I wonder how long it took Conway to come up with that one?
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Knowing Nancy Pelosi, that sounds really unlikely, no way she is going to do something because "men" told her to.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
You can stretch like the wind when you are gaslighting.
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I don't think you understand me. We agree on Pelosi. There is no way she is going to base her position on Trumps impeachment on what some man told her to do (meaning because he is a man, which seems to be the implication). Yes, you know from our previous interactions that I am not a Democrat, but I am also not a Republican, and certainly not a Trump supporter. Not everyone easily fits into a pigeonhole.
 
Marcus said:
I don't think you understand me. We agree on Pelosi. There is no way she is going to base her position on Trumps impeachment on what some man told her to do (meaning because he is a man, which seems to be the implication). Yes, you know from our previous interactions that I am not a Democrat, but I am also not a Republican, and certainly not a Trump supporter. Not everyone easily fits into a pigeonhole.
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I understood, and wasn't disagreeing.

I was suggesting how Conway could be so stupid: she didn't care, it was pure gaslighting.
 
acbytesla said:
Here's the thing about polls. And I know polling well. Having worked for a pollster for a few years. It's damn hard to do well. Getting a representative sample is tough to do and it's even harder today with fewer and fewer people having a land line. Then a lot depends on how you phrase the question.

But frankly, those numbers are horrible for Trump. 56 to 26 and even if all the clueless people break his way (highly unlikely) he still gets beat in the election by 10 points.
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people moan about Trump having a 40/45 % apporval rating, what they don't get is that any sitting president with a "R" after his name will get that. (And same goes for any President with a "D" after his name. It the 15 to 20% that don't have a emotinal commitment to any party who decide elections.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I understood, and wasn't disagreeing.

I was suggesting how Conway could be so stupid: she didn't care, it was pure gaslighting.
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Oh, ok. Agree on Conway then, don't know about the gaslighting but she was really cranking up the spin machine when she claimed Pelosi was succumbing to pressure from men.
 
Anyone who think Pelosi does anything because a man told her to is an idiot. Oh, yeah...we're talking Conway. Never mind.
 
I think Pelosi is slightly less for impeachment right now at this point in time then a lot of the rest of the Democratic party, but that's about it.

In other words if Pelosi was the final say and didn't care/take into consideration anyone else's opinion I doubt we'd be impeaching Trump right now.
 
Look for Trump to either fire Mick Mulvaney or for Mick Mulvaney to suddenly decide to step down soon. Apparently Trump's not happy with how he's handling the impeachment threat.
 
dudalb said:
people moan about Trump having a 40/45 % apporval rating, what they don't get is that any sitting president with a "R" after his name will get that. (And same goes for any President with a "D" after his name. It the 15 to 20% that don't have a emotinal commitment to any party who decide elections.
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Pretty much the way it is.

Given that the economy hasn't collapsed he would be cruising to an easy reelection if he was almost any other politician.

But Trump isn't like any other politician. Other politicians reach out to the center and undecideds. But not Trump, he lives for the adoration he gets from the wingnuts. So the tiny margin of victory he had for a tiny sliver of time in November of 2016 is not only gone, he quickly alienated the center group who decide elections and he hasn't done anything to win them back. Trump has not only done nothing to expand his base, he's alienated everyone but his base. And even though he has some extra rabid supporters it's nowhere near enough to win. With the exception of Florida Trump has lost 10 points in every swing state he won in the last election.
 
We have never had a President with a personality cult like Trump before.
If he did not have a bunch of people who think he is Dear Leader, the GOPer n congress could make the case with their base that with Pence you could have the same policies but without all the baggage, but
that is impossbiel as long so many Republicans think that Don is the Messiah.
 
JoeMorgue said:
I think Pelosi is slightly less for impeachment right now at this point in time then a lot of the rest of the Democratic party, but that's about it.

In other words if Pelosi was the final say and didn't care/take into consideration anyone else's opinion I doubt we'd be impeaching Trump right now.
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You don't know that. :rolleyes:
 
Nice summary PhantomWolf.

One thing doesn't go far enough.

PhantomWolf said:
The case in the UK ended up collapsing, and according to the US Ambassador of the time, this was because the Ukrainian Prosecutorial Office had subverted the UK probe through their inaction.
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You can find the Judge's decision for this case online (sorry, I don't have the link or the case # anymore), qnd the Judge notes that the PGO provided statements attesting to Zlochevsky's lack of criminal prosecutions in Ukraine. So the PGO, under Shokin, dragged their feet to provide evidence against Zulchevsky but gound time to provided evidence for him.
 
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