House Impeachment Inquiry

[acbytesla]

It's such a joke that Trump keeps telling us to "read the transcript". It was the damn transcript that launched the impeachment inquiry. It was the one thing that convinced me that there was no choice but to impeach Trump.

Also lets not forget . What has been released to the public IS NOT A TRANSCRIPT!

The White House has labeled it a TRANSCRIPT!!! but the .pdf file itself says THIS IS NOT A VERBATIM TRANSCRIPT OF THE DISCUSSION.

It should also be noted that after Colonel Vindman expressed his concern over the call and a White House lawyer who refuses to testify locked the call away in a code word server,

 

[PhantomWolf]

You're thinking about what Veep Joe Biden actually did and confessed to doing, yet he's a Democrat candidate for POTUS. Trump did no such thing and all one has to do is read the transcript of the call and Zelensky's confirmation that he felt no pressure. No amount of lies will change these indisputable facts.

I'm not thinking anything, nor am I trying a gotcha. I'm asking if you believe that it's acceptable for any future President to attempt to use money assigned to a help a foreign Government by Congress, as a method of extracting a favour that personally benefits that President, from that Government?

For example, would it be acceptable for a future President to hold up disaster relief assigned by Congress to a country hit by an devastating earthquake unless they hired a specific firm that the President held shares in to do the bulk of the reconstruction work.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

....
It's such a joke that Trump keeps telling us to "read the transcript". ....

Repeat a lie often enough... Look at BB's post.

Ask him if he thinks the Mueller report vindicated Trump. Repeat a lie often enough... Look how many liberals just in this forum have repeated that last lie.

 

[Minoosh]

Another stupid hoax by the Democrats and corrupt fake news. This time it is going to cost them the House and Trump will be easily reelected.

Trump has been saying "no quid pro" for over a month. Then one of his henchmen revised his testimony after his lies are uncovered. Don't you ever get tired of Trump lying to you? The country deserves better and I imagine you deserve better as well. I don't know you, so I can't say that for sure.

Who is the real perpetrator of a hoax? The guy who kept saying "no quid pro quo" for weeks. If it was so routine a matter, why has he been lying about it for weeks, and why is he whining about Adam Schiff making up a story that turns out to be true? He's playing you for a sucker. He's insulting your intelligence. You don't have to take it.

 

[CapelDodger]

For the record, Joe Biden bragged that he got a corrupt prosecutor removed who was stalling a UK investigation. Hunter Biden wasn't then and never was under any investigation.

Biden didn't brag about what he'd done (which was, after all, simply implementing US government policy) but about what the power of US influence. The ECB, IMF, Ukrainian anti-corrupetion activists, and the governments of France, Germany and the UK had been trying for months, if not years, to get the prosecutor removed because he wasn't investigating corruption, and nada. The US lays down the heavy word and bang, he's gone.

 

[Minoosh]

The US lays down the heavy word and bang, he's gone.

I wonder if the U.S. still has this kind of credibility/ influence.

So much has already been trashed.

 

[Distracted1]

Trump has been saying "no quid pro" for over a month. Then one of his henchmen revised his testimony after his lies are uncovered. Don't you ever get tired of Trump lying to you? The country deserves better and I imagine you deserve better as well. I don't know you, so I can't say that for sure.

Who is the real perpetrator of a hoax? The guy who kept saying "no quid pro quo" for weeks. If it was so routine a matter, why has he been lying about it for weeks, and why is he whining about Adam Schiff making up a story that turns out to be true? He's playing you for a sucker. He's insulting your intelligence. You don't have to take it.

I find it funny that Trumpsters don't realize that when he said "I could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Ave. and not lose any supporters" he was insulting them.

 

[Minoosh]

Watching Lindsey Graham trying to spin this as totally normal. I would love to know what his colleagues say privately.

Zelensky says he didn’t feel any pressure. Of course he would say that. Besides which, it doesn’t really matter what he felt.

 

[Tsukasa Buddha]

I'm getting concerned with the precedent being set for ignoring subpoenas. They have decided to not go through the courts to try to enforce them, and only one case is moving ahead because the subpoenaed person sued for it. This was already happening before, but now we are on impeachment level and there are still no consequences. Congress's investigative and oversight abilities seem to depend on executive branch members willingness to speak out, and more and more career people are leaving.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Biden didn't brag about what he'd done (which was, after all, simply implementing US government policy) but about what the power of US influence. The ECB, IMF, Ukrainian anti-corrupetion activists, and the governments of France, Germany and the UK had been trying for months, if not years, to get the prosecutor removed because he wasn't investigating corruption, and nada. The US lays down the heavy word and bang, he's gone.

Did you hear him, yourself?

I did, and it was very clearly bragging.

"The US lays down the heavy word and bang, he's gone."

Yeah, it was something like that. There was plenty of "I did such and such" in that exchange, still bragging to others there.

People can see for themselves.

I said this, I did that, he said you aren't Obama, I said you have 6 hours...

 

[Minoosh]

I find it funny that Trumpsters don't realize that when he said "I could shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Ave. and not lose any supporters" he was insulting them.

Maybe that will dawn on them pretty soon.

Meanwhile I’d like there to be more scandals. The media has been several months behind on the breaking B.S. I wonder what fresh chaos he’s creating.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Watching Lindsey Graham trying to spin this as totally normal. I would love to know what his colleagues say privately.

Zelensky says he didn’t feel any pressure. Of course he would say that. Besides which, it doesn’t really matter what he felt.

Yeah, that wasn't bad enough to impeach or wasn't a big deal is quickly fading as these transcripts come out. There was a lot more than that one call and Trump escalated as he does becoming more and more obsessed.

 

[CapelDodger]

Did you hear him, yourself?

I did, and it was very clearly bragging.

"The US lays down the heavy word and bang, he's gone."

Yeah, it was something like that. There was plenty of "I did such and such" in that exchange, still bragging to others there.

People can see for themselves.

I said this, I did that, he said you aren't Obama, I said you have 6 hours...

"I said 'We're not giving you a billion dollars', he said 'You're not the President', I said 'Call him'". Yes, I heard him myself, and he said he was conveying a message from the President, not that he made Poroshenko do something that he had decided on.

 

[CapelDodger]

I'm getting concerned with the precedent being set for ignoring subpoenas. They have decided to not go through the courts to try to enforce them, and only one case is moving ahead because the subpoenaed person sued for it. This was already happening before, but now we are on impeachment level and there are still no consequences. Congress's investigative and oversight abilities seem to depend on executive branch members willingness to speak out, and more and more career people are leaving.

Congress can pursue the case later : what they don't want is the inquiry to get bogged down waiting for the courts and all the obfuscation that would go with it. For that matter, they can try to change the law to cover future such occasions. Things are moving fast enough with the evidence that is being given.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

"I said 'We're not giving you a billion dollars', he said 'You're not the President', I said 'Call him'". Yes, I heard him myself, and he said he was conveying a message from the President, not that he made Poroshenko do something that he had decided on.

That's rather cherry picky. He's bragging and it's not becoming on a POTUS candidate. Why would it matter who he made fire the prosecutor?

 

[CapelDodger]

Yeah, that wasn't bad enough to impeach or wasn't a big deal is quickly fading as these transcripts come out. There was a lot more than that one call and Trump escalated as he does becoming more and more obsessed.

I think if the Democrats hadn't impeached on this case a lot of people would have given up on two-party politics completely and there'd have been an exodus from the Democratic Party to third-parties such as the Greens. Something this egregious simply has to be pursued on principle, without regard to electoral consequences. The Republican Party has demonstrated that it stands by no principles at all : if the Democratic Party did the same what would be left?

 

[thaiboxerken]

Remember when it was all about denying quid-pro-quo? Now the Trumpublicans are saying that the quid-pro-quo wasn't illegal or wrong. I have to wonder if anyone, but Trumpublicans, give any credibility to anything that the Trumpublicans say anymore.

 

[acbytesla]

IMV, Trump has committed in a general sense, Treason, solicited Bribes, as well as committed what would be referred to as a "high crime/misdemeanor.

Trump has clearly betrayed his country and is a Russian puppet. His actions as it pertains to Ukraine is a cut and dried situation where he requested a personal service in exchange for an official act of our government. That is a bribe. I could also go into his wanton disregard and antipathy of what he called "the phony Emoluments Act. Which for him is clearly a not so subtle attempt to get people to pay for favors.

Never in our history have we had such an unrelenting criminal in the White House. Even Nixon pales in comparison to Trump.

 

[CapelDodger]

That's rather cherry picky. He's bragging and it's not becoming on a POTUS candidate. Why would it matter who he made fire the prosecutor?

He's not bragging, he's relating an encounter that he had as a senior politician. It's not bragging, unless reminding people that you've once held high office is bragging. He's not saying "This is what you can do if you're me", he's saying "This is what you can get done if you're speaking for the US".

 

[PhantomWolf]

I'd note that this was a poor choice of video given the poisoning of the well it starts out with. Just about everything it starts out with in the Text is a lie.