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House Impeachment Inquiry

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Distracted1 said:
I agree. I find most of the memes regarding "throwing them out", "cut their pay", "give them crappy benefits", etc., Seem to disregard expertise and experience as a means of accomplishing things.

Further, I think they would actually decrease the representation we get. Who but a multi-millionaire can take eight years out of their careers to serve as a congressperson with low pay and no benefits? And what might they be hoping to gain from such a stint? perhaps single issue regulation with a large payout at the end from the regulated industry?

The law of unintended consequences could turn term limits against us, making every congressperson not just "in the thrall of" lobbyists- but instead actual lobbyists.
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In rebuttal: Katie Porter. Not a millionaire; just a professor. But possessing passion to do right by her constituents.

In assent: If Katie remains true to her lights, then may she occupy her seat 'til she's unable.

In rebuttal: If someone like Katie becomes cynical and corrupted, then term limits are the correct path.
 
quadraginta said:
This may be the future of the GOP, impotently screaming at the top of their lungs about Democrat transgressions, real or imagined, that they accepted or even cherished when done by Republicans. And little else, since they will have wasted all their political capital defending the indefensible.
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That's been going on in the GOP for a long long time, starting with Bill.
 
varwoche said:
I know this has been posted in one thread or another, but for those of you who missed it... This is apt to resonate with readers who, like me, view the Trump phenomenon as a cult.

Who said it...?
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Devin Nunes, referring to the House Intel committee. Call the paramedics! This is red alert triage due to self-awareness deficit.
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When I heard that earlier my thoughts immediately went to:

Hypocrisy
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Skeptic Ginger said:
quadraginta said:
This may be the future of the GOP, impotently screaming at the top of their lungs about Democrat transgressions, real or imagined, that they accepted or even cherished when done by Republicans. And little else, since they will have wasted all their political capital defending the indefensible.
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That's been going on in the GOP for a long long time, starting with Bill.
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Sadly, they are far from impotent now, or even starting with Bill.

One may have hopes for the future, though.

The GOP as an insignificant, third-rate third party, lacking in any credibility or influence. That's what I'm looking forward to.
 
quadraginta said:
The GOP as an insignificant, third-rate third party, lacking in any credibility or influence. That's what I'm looking forward to.
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Because functionally one-party systems work so well.

Actually, I shouldn't say that sarcastically. They do work well, if your goal is controlling people.
 
Ziggurat said:
Because functionally one-party systems work so well.

Actually, I shouldn't say that sarcastically. They do work well, if your goal is controlling people.
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Nobody said we need a one party system.

We can have two (or more) parties that honestly and passionately disagree on a huge swath of sane, rational points across a wide range of stances without our current setup of one spineless party of formless goobers and one corrupt obstructionist cult of racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, science denying idiots.
 
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Ziggurat said:
Because functionally one-party systems work so well.

Actually, I shouldn't say that sarcastically. They do work well, if your goal is controlling people.
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As Joe said, hoping that the GOP becomes a third party isn't at all the same as wanting a one-party system (even functionally).

I don't anticipate the GOP going away any time soon. If things go well, the fallout from the Trump presidency is a precipitous drop in the popularity of the GOP, who will regroup and change their positions and tactics to become a healthy, reasonable conservative alternative.

Man, that just sounds like a ridiculous fantasy in so many ways. Still, that would be my druthers, as unlikely as it is.
 
Has anyone else encountered Trumptrash going door to door with a petition to stop the impeachment inquiry? Is this a national thing or do I just have a particularly dedicated traitor to his country living somewhere close by? I've found a couple of online petitions but nothing trying to organize people to canvas for signatures. I couldn't tell if he was an official campaign representatives. He had on the racist paraphernalia their kind wear which is what you'd expect.
 
phiwum said:
As Joe said, hoping that the GOP becomes a third party isn't at all the same as wanting a one-party system (even functionally).
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In the post I responded to, he didn't say he wanted it to become a third party. He said "third rate", but just like "second rate", that's an expression which doesn't literally mean "third" or "second". And there is no realistic candidate to become a second party. So one party domination is really the most realistic outcome for what he proposed. His follow-up post suggests he meant something else, but I'll stand by my response to what he actually said in that first post.
 
Ziggurat said:
In the post I responded to, he didn't say he wanted it to become a third party. He said "third rate", but just like "second rate", that's an expression which doesn't literally mean "third" or "second". And there is no realistic candidate to become a second party. So one party domination is really the most realistic outcome for what he proposed. His follow-up post suggests he meant something else, but I'll stand by my response to what he actually said in that first post.
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In fact, quadraginta said "third-rate third party". It is easy to misread that (seriously, not sarcastically), but he did refer to it as a third party.

I agree that there's no serious alternative second party. I've already given my sadly fantastic druthers.
 
phiwum said:
I agree that there's no serious alternative second party. I've already given my sadly fantastic druthers.
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A good option for the a new Second Party would be for the Conservative Democrats and Non-Trumpers who have left, or want to leave, the GOP to split off and form a new Conservative Party that is Centre Right, with the remaining Democrats forming a Centre Left Party. It has happened before in US Politics, so no real reason that it couldn't happen again.
 
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Belz... said:
Oh, I'm sure the Democratic party will splinter after that.

But having no party that panders to ignorance and bigotry would be a welcome change.
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Wait... are you under the impression that Democrats don't do that too? Oh, you dear boy.
 
phiwum said:
In fact, quadraginta said "third-rate third party". It is easy to misread that (seriously, not sarcastically), but he did refer to it as a third party.

I agree that there's no serious alternative second party. I've already given my sadly fantastic druthers.
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