Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 3

The impeachment article in Wikipedia is slow to develop, but this one is nearly done
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump–Ukraine_scandal
On September 25, the administration released the White House's five-page, declassified memorandum of the July 25 phone call between Trump and Zelensky.[135][136][137][a] In the call, Trump pressed for an investigation into the Bidens and CrowdStrike, saying: "I would like to have the [U.S.] Attorney General call you or your people and I would like you to get to the bottom of it."[136] Trump falsely told Zelensky "Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution" of his son, Hunter; Biden did not stop any prosecution, did not brag about doing so, and there is no evidence his son was ever under investigation.[138]

footnote 138 goes to
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/25/poli...ident-to-justify-his-biden-request/index.html
 
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acbytesla said:
...misdirection directed at the uninformed and lazy members of the electorate.
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Spent a few days at home with my mom last week – in her 80s but sharp and spry and very opinionated. And she will vote.

She watches her local news every day. This provides her with a steady diet of crime reports and other mayhem in her own community. This reinforces her racism and general fear of crime destroying said community.

She refuses to watch any national news coverage. She despises partisan sniping. Anytime that the local news would cover the impeachment hearings her response was "Ugh, turn that off. I can't stand listening to it!"

It occurred to me that she is the quintessential low-information voter. She's not a Fox News deplorable. She's well-read and intelligent. But she quite on purpose has next to no knowledge of the current national/international issues that folks like us discuss here every day. Mueller Report? Detention centers on the border? Burisma? Soleimani? Ballooning deficit? Nada.

My great revelation about the impeachment hearings, then? It's not just people covering for the President versus sentient humans of integrity, the sentient folks with integrity must also battle what is probably a big group of people who know shockingly little about these proceedings, why they're happening, etc.

PS: She's a registered Democrat.
 
If you gave money to the Trump campaign, you got it paid back by (Russian? Republican? ) sources:

Parnas' company, which offered products and services to guard against investment fraud, had no sign of any customers at the time of the contributions. However, it later received a $1.5 million investment from Magnolia Ventures, a New York City-based venture capital fund.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/4531125002
 
Meadmaker said:
If so, it went over the rest of the country's head as well.
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No there has been a coordinated campaign to Hide the Courption of the Alt Right and conservative media though Intimation and violence for years, look at the constant threats against Aborting providers or anyone that calls out the Racist Neo Nazis.
Especially when it involves Fox news and Conservative Celerity's like Sean Hannity.
They don't want their people to know the Truth and these prolifers would kill to prevent the Truth from being known.
 
Meadmaker said:
Why not? Why do people keep saying that?
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Only a fool would believe there was some legitimate concern of criminal activity behind Trump's withholding of the aid.

I'll make this as simple as possible: What crime was Donald Trump interested in being investigated? Was Hunter Biden bribing lawmakers? Was Hunter Biden shaking down competitors with the assistance of the mob? Is Hunter Biden a serial killer? Tell me what crime is actually suspected to have happened. Be as specific as possible.
 
acbytesla said:
I wonder what it takes for someone to sell out like you do with this post.

People in government wield a great deal of power. But that power doesn't belong to them. It belongs to the American people.
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If you were to go back and read my post, I think you would find that that is what I said.
 
I Am The Scum said:
Only a fool would believe there was some legitimate concern of criminal activity behind Trump's withholding of the aid.

I'll make this as simple as possible: What crime was Donald Trump interested in being investigated? Was Hunter Biden bribing lawmakers? Was Hunter Biden shaking down competitors with the assistance of the mob? Is Hunter Biden a serial killer? Tell me what crime is actually suspected to have happened. Be as specific as possible.
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Influence peddling and/or bribery.

I'm not saying he did those things, or even that there is any evidence of those things. I am saying that some people suspected him of those things.
 
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Why not? Why do people keep saying that?

Do I think it is a quite awful thing to do? Yes. Do I think it's a crime? No.

Withholding the aid is pretty bad. Bad enough to throw an elected president out of office? Take a poll and find out.
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acbytesla said:
I wonder what it takes for someone to sell out like you do with this post.
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Can't you fathom that an intelligent reasonably non partisan person (Meadmaker's posts usually appear non partisan to me) can arrive at that conclusion?
Why do you need to accuse Meadmaker of selling out?
 
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