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Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 2

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Meadmaker said:
Boy who cried wolf.

Sooner or later they'll uncover something actually worth impeaching a president for. If it's your fourth try, your audience (the voters) won't care.
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...all in your opinion, of course.

Many of us have the opinion that the issue lies with "The People Who Refused to Listen to Legitimate Cries of Wolves From the Beginning".
 
Stacyhs said:
Just out of curiosity, if you could do it over again, would you still not vote at all rather than vote for Hillary?
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I don't think that is an answerable question, decisions have to be made in real time, without knowledge of the future. The relevant question would be how I , and people like me, will vote in the next election. I won't vote for Trump, but whether I will vote for the Democratic candidate is an open question, we don't yet know who that will be.
 
Marcus said:
I don't think that is an answerable question, decisions have to be made in real time, without knowledge of the future. The relevant question would be how I , and people like me, will vote in the next election. I won't vote for Trump, but whether I will vote for the Democratic candidate is an open question, we don't yet know who that will be.
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OK...let me put it this way: knowing what you know now, would you vote for Hillary or not vote at all again if you could?
 
Cabbage said:
...all in your opinion, of course.

Many of us have the opinion that the issue lies with "The People Who Refused to Listen to Legitimate Cries of Wolves From the Beginning".
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Knowing who to blame is certainly the most important consideration.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
I don't know but I think it's interesting Trump's inability to stop his impulsive behavior led him to jump the gun and now he's used up his ace.

Tee hee hee.:)
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He's been tweeting all that stupid stuff about the Dems supporting the Iraqis, etc. Maybe he will get a notion to bomb the Dems...

Who knows! Logic and common sense don't come into it any more. Trump has long gone completely off-the-planet loopy.
 
Stacyhs said:
OK...let me put it this way: knowing what you know now, would you vote for Hillary or not vote at all again if you could?
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If I knew what I know now, I would know that my vote wouldn't make a difference. However, keeping in the spirit of your question, which is which one I would rather have in office right now, probably Hillary, in spite of her shortcomings.
 
Marcus said:
If I knew what I know now, I would know that my vote wouldn't make a difference. However, keeping in the spirit of your question, which is which one I would rather have in office right now, probably Hillary, in spite of her shortcomings.
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Thanks for your answer.
 
Guiliani's letter is incredibly incriminating for Trump: it completely demolishes the claims that what Rudi was doing in the Ukraine was in the national US interest or aimed at corruption in general. It is clear proof (together with the phone call) that Trump abused his power as President to get a personal favor from the head of a foreign country.
There has never been a clearer case for Impeachment.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
An overview of Maddow's Parnas interview
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That is one heck of a bombshell interview.

In it, he completely confirms everything that everyone already knew, except for the new revelations about surveillance of Yovanovich which, had they been true, would have actually been important.



To be fair, his statements show the depth of the obsession that Trump had with the investigation of Biden, and his willingness to entangle US foreign policy with his political interests. That won't look good, and might even lose him a percent or two of votes. I know that when the story first broke months ago, I thought it was just Trump shooting off his mouth. As time has gone by, it has become clear that it was a lot more than that. After learning how deeply entangled his pursuit of Biden was with holding up aid to Ukraine, there's no way I would vote for that guy. Oh, wait......there was already no way I was going to vote for him.

And that's where we still are. The people who already hated Trump will have more confirmation that they were right to hate Trump, but if you think that the newest revelations will actually cause people to start pressuring their senators to remove Trump from office, you aren't living in reality.

It's possible it might hurt his poll numbers and shift some votes in November, a little.

ETA: But it's also possible that the backlash against impeachment obsession will help him in November.
 
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