Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 2

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^ Really, you don't recognize the guys in the boat (Schiff is German for ship btw)? I think Garrison gets them right most of the time. The guy behind the cannon is Nadler. Who is fat btw. Unlike Trump who compared to his fellow US-Americans can't be called fat. He's stable.
 
I don't recognize the guys in the bathtub with Pelosi, but from the labels and the context I figure they're probably House Democrats involved in the impeachment inquiry. One of them is probably supposed to be Schiff or something.

It's supposed to be Schiff and Nadler. Not great likenesses, but good enough in context if you know who the relevant players are.
 
The Democrats ran a very fair impeachment inquiry.
Trump was afforded the right to have counsel present. He declined.
Trump was asked to testify. He declined.
Republicans were allowed exactly as much time as the Democrats to question the witnesses. And yet they never asked questions about the evidence presented.
While I get your point, I think this is misguided. Impeachment in the House is not where this type of fairness gets applied, because this is like a prosecutor bringing together a grand jury. Targets of a grand jury indictment are not given rights of equal time, etc. They are not allowed to call their own witness before the grand jury. It is a one-sided process by design and by logic. The trial is where the accused - once they are accused - are given their rights.


Now, frivolous charges must not be brought, but that is not what's going on here. So Trump's and the Repub's whining about fairness is completely off the mark.
 
You might be the only person in the country who saw a picture of the Democrats shooting an impeachment cannon at a guy in a Trump suit, and didn't instantly understand the guy was supposed to be Trump


I was being facetious, referencing the obsequiously unrealistic portrayal of Trump. It's only a few steps short of the photoshopped picture of Trump's head on Rocky's body that was circulating a while ago.
 
There is no such thing as a perjury trap, and even if there was, its the easiest trap to avoid...... you simply tell the truth. Show me just one example where you can be trapped into perjuring yourself when you tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.

I make the same argument to those who hold that speed cameras are not road safety devices, they are revenue generators for the government. Even if it was true, they are the easiest revenue traps to avoid... just drive below the legal speed limit at all times and you'll never have to pay any of the revenue... saves you gas too!
It's also worth noting that perjury is NOT when the prosecutors ask you for your alibi and you say it was Tuesday two years ago but it was really Wednesday. Mere but actual slips of memory do not lead to a charge of perjury. Perjury = "The crime of willfully and knowingly making a false statement about a material fact while under oath."
 
I was being facetious, referencing the obsequiously unrealistic portrayal of Trump. It's only a few steps short of the photoshopped picture of Trump's head on Rocky's body that was circulating a while ago.

No worries. I was being facetious too. All good.

A thinner, fitter, god-kinglier Trump in a political cartoon doesn't seem that absurd. I mean, there's an ornate domed roof where an outboard motor is supposed to be. You don't seem confused or upset about that.
 
You think the response to having the Republican message boosted is going to be to actually hold a fair trial?
The only hope is for public opinion to try to move McConnell. If you think the odds of that are very low, the cost of doing so until the beginning of next year is very low, too. We don't know if Pelosi will wait much longer.
 
That's part of the "resistance" problem - bending reality so much that everyone is getting it. Trump's sense of humour might be sick, politically incorrect or whatever you feel is wrong with it, but his sense of humour is one of his defining characteristics. The greatest troll in human history. He just doesn't give a flying ****.
In general - forget about Trump for a second - do you think it's good to have the greatest troll in human history, who doesn't give a flying ****, be the POTUS?
 
The president obstructed congress? People need be reminded that separation of powers still exist even if you think the POTUS is a scumbag. He exerted his right under the Executive branch.
I think you will fail to find a precedent or an existing law that allows a blanket, absolute claim to withhold all testimony and all documents related to impeachment from Congress. (If Trump had claimed executive privilege for specific witnesses or documents, on specified grounds, you'd have something. )
 
Because the Republicans want the next official act of this drama to be acquitting Trump.
How? The Republicans have been successfully controlling the narrative for the last 3 years. How is withholding the Articles from the Senate magically going to change that? How is it going to look, to the average person on the street, like anything other than the Democrats refusing to obey the rule of law because they're too scared to have a trial because they know their case is weak and they'll lose?
I suppose if one only pays attention to what the Republicans say, there is no chance of the Democrats ever controlling the narrative. On the other hand, doing what McConnell has been doing all along (pretending that bills he doesn't like don't exist and thus never dealing with them) both prolongs the impeachment process (driving Trump to continue ranting and raving about it) and invites people to ask why Pelosi is doing it and perhaps finding out her actual reasons.
 
The senate won't offer a fair trial? The Democrats held a fair inquiry?
Bringing charges is not the point in the process in which the accused have their day in court (mostly because they aren't accused when the inquiry is going on). The House investigating impeachment articles is like a prosecutor going to a grand jury, and the subject of a grand jury indictment is NOT entitled to, for instance, bring in their own witnesses, etc. That's what the trial is for.

You seem to forget, certain people calling for his removal and proclaiming guilt of a crime BEFORE Ukraine was ever an issue. Certain people saying how they will impeach this 'mother-----r' the same night they got elected into congress.
That doesn't mean that Trump didn't commit impeachable offenses. If it did, then any president who could point out someone saying he should be impeached early in his presidency could then commit impeachable offense and claim your point as a defense.

All that matters is the President's behavior and whether it rises to the level of impeachment and conviction.

You seem to forget that the Mueller report was supposed to trigger an impeachment by proving Trump conspired with Russia to cheat Hillary Clinton out of an election victory. And your only concern and surprise is that Republicans are already stating their decision on the verdict? News flash, this vicious partisanship isn't new. I distinctly remember calls for Obama to be a one-term POTUS... this has been going on for years and years already.
I think we can agree that, even in the best circumstances, democracy will be a messy business.
 
I meant in general, without regard to Trump. Your referencing Hillary still keeps it in regard to Trump.


In general I think it's almost impossible to be POTUS without being a mass-murdering war criminal so I'm not very concerned about the nature of his/her humour as a defining thing. I'd like them to resist giggling about leaders of foreign countries being rectally impaled like Killary did about Colonel Gaddafi. Just for good taste measures.
 
The only hope is for public opinion to try to move McConnell. If you think the odds of that are very low, the cost of doing so until the beginning of next year is very low, too. We don't know if Pelosi will wait much longer.

That's a response to a completely different question than the one I asked.
 
Because the Republicans want the next official act of this drama to be acquitting Trump.

I don't see why they'd in any way be bothered by the next official act being the Democratic Speaker obstructing the trial from even taking place. It's a win for their propaganda.

On the other hand, doing what McConnell has been doing all along (pretending that bills he doesn't like don't exist and thus never dealing with them) both prolongs the impeachment process (driving Trump to continue ranting and raving about it) and invites people to ask why Pelosi is doing it and perhaps finding out her actual reasons.

The former is true to a certain extent but a) Trump will continue to rant about it long after the fact, as will his base (see, for example, how part of the whole Ukraine business is Trump's insistence that Ukraine is in possession of Clinton's emails) anyway so that makes no difference and b) Trump ranting about things has thus far proven an effective strategy for the Republicans so I don't see why this would be viewed as a negative by them. And, as with all such things, it'll fade into the background if it's prolonged too much, after the next thing comes along. Remember when kids in cages dominated the headlines? That's not been resolved or ameliorated, but when was the last time you saw it on the front pages? Or heard anybody talk about it at all?

As for the latter, I think you're being incredibly optimistic. When has that strategy worked at all up to this point? What makes you think that the facts being on someone's side matters in the current political climate?
 
I'm sure another of your first thoughts was the one I intended to produce by posting the cartoon.

That you are pursuing the same worn out schtick regardless of the fact that no takes you seriously anymore? That was my first thought. People don't get outraged by you anymore CE, they just sigh wearily.
 
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