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Cont: House Impeachment Inquiry - part 2

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BrooklynBaby said:
Nonsense. This impeachment fiasco has nothing to do with the law. They don't have a crime, and that is completely obvious to anyone who has been paying attention. It's one of the greatest political blunders in American history, if not the biggest. Right now, I would be surprised if the House even votes. All it will do is lock in their losing of the House in November. The voters in those 31 districts that Dems won but Trump carried did not send them to D.C. to impeach the guy they voted for. This is a no-brainer. All but two of them did vote for the impeachment inquiry disaster, and that may be enough to defeat them anyway. We'll have to see how things play out here, then wait until November to find out.
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Interesting to know that bribery, obstruction and more are not crimes.

Or are they only crimes if Democrats do them?
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Nonsense. This impeachment fiasco has nothing to do with the law. They don't have a crime, and that is completely obvious to anyone who has been paying attention. It's one of the greatest political blunders in American history, if not the biggest. Right now, I would be surprised if the House even votes. All it will do is lock in their losing of the House in November. The voters in those 31 districts that Dems won but Trump carried did not send them to D.C. to impeach the guy they voted for. This is a no-brainer. All but two of them did vote for the impeachment inquiry disaster, and that may be enough to defeat them anyway. We'll have to see how things play out here, then wait until November to find out.
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It's completely obvious to anyone who only limits their knowledge to the GOP rhetoric and talking points.

The majority of Americans support impeachment 47.7% for vs. 43.8% against.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/impeachment-polls/

HINT: Repeating HOAX, FAKE NEW, and WITCH HUNT ad nauseam is not a convincing argument for anyone other than those who think Floribama Shore is a Ken Burns documentary.
 
BrooklynBaby said:
Nonsense. This impeachment fiasco has nothing to do with the law. They don't have a crime, and that is completely obvious to anyone who has been paying attention. It's one of the greatest political blunders in American history, if not the biggest. Right now, I would be surprised if the House even votes. All it will do is lock in their losing of the House in November. The voters in those 31 districts that Dems won but Trump carried did not send them to D.C. to impeach the guy they voted for. This is a no-brainer. All but two of them did vote for the impeachment inquiry disaster, and that may be enough to defeat them anyway. We'll have to see how things play out here, then wait until November to find out.
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Talk about cognitive dissonance or blatant dishonesty.

Bribery is a crime and so is obstruction of justice and so is obstruction of Congress and so is perjury. Trump lied on his responses to Mueller. Trump is certainly guilty of breaking election laws as well. My bet is that a fair assessment is Trump is guilty of hundreds of criminal counts. I'd also bet every dollar that I have Trump has committed many acts of tax fraud and securities fraud.

The idea that crimes were not committed and proven in this investigation is just another lie told on behalf of the biggest liar of all.
 
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acbytesla said:
Talk about dishonesty or maybe stupidity.

Bribery is a crime and so is obstruction of justice and so is obstruction of Congress and so is perjury. Trump lied on his responses to Mueller. Trump is certainly guilty of breaking election laws as well. My bet is that a fair assessment is Trump is guilty of hundreds of counts of these. I'd also bet every dollar that I have Trump has committed many acts of tax fraud and securities fraud.

The idea that crimes were not committed and proven in this investigation is just another lie told on behalf of the biggest liar of all.
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I wonder why Brooklyn thinks Trump has fought tooth and toenail to prevent his tax records and the documents Congress has subpoenaed from being released? Is it because the tax records will prove he's an upstanding, honest and successful businessman and the subpoenaed documents will vindicate his actions toward Ukraine showing it was only a 'perfect' phone call? I wonder why Brooklyn thinks Trump has ordered everyone not to cooperate with the hearings? Is it because Pompeo, Mulvaney, Giuliani, McGahn, etc will be able to prove there was no quid pro quo? Yeah...that's it! That's what they're going to show!
 
Stacyhs said:
I wonder why Brooklyn thinks Trump has fought tooth and toenail to prevent his tax records and the documents Congress has subpoenaed from being released? Is it because the tax records will prove he's an upstanding, honest and successful businessman and the subpoenaed documents will vindicate his actions toward Ukraine showing it was only a 'perfect' phone call? I wonder why Brooklyn thinks Trump has ordered everyone not to cooperate with the hearings? Is it because Pompeo, Mulvaney, Giuliani, McGahn, etc will be able to prove there was no quid pro quo? Yeah...that's it! That's what they're going to show!
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Defense attorneys, a classic democrat constituency, often say innocent people are not served by volunteering information to the cops. Don't talk to the police! Especially if you are innocent.
 
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BobTheCoward said:
Defense attorneys a classic democrat constituency, often say innocent people are not served by volunteering information to the cops. Don't talk to the police! Especially if you are innocent.
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False equivalency. He's not 'volunteering' anything. He is actively fighting subpoenas all the way to the SC.

If the police are accusing you of robbing a bank in LA and you
can prove you were in NYC at the time, what attorney is going to advise you not to give that evidence to the police? Nah. He's hiding something.
 
Stacyhs said:
False equivalency. He's not 'volunteering' anything. He is actively fighting subpoenas all the way to the SC.

If the police are accusing you of robbing a bank in LA and you
can prove you were in NYC at the time, what attorney is going to advise you not to give that evidence to the police? Nah. He's hiding something.
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A good attorney would fight an unconstitutional subpoena, also.

And there is a reason the video is called, "don't talk to the police" and not, "unless you can help your case".
 
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I wonder why Brooklyn thinks Trump has fought tooth and toenail to prevent his tax records and the documents Congress has subpoenaed from being released? Is it because the tax records will prove he's an upstanding, honest and successful businessman and the subpoenaed documents will vindicate his actions toward Ukraine showing it was only a 'perfect' phone call? I wonder why Brooklyn thinks Trump has ordered everyone not to cooperate with the hearings? Is it because Pompeo, Mulvaney, Giuliani, McGahn, etc will be able to prove there was no quid pro quo? Yeah...that's it! That's what they're going to show!
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Bribery IS a Crime and so IS Obstruction. Brooklyn saying there was no crime is like me saying I had a threesome with Jessica Chastain and Jennifer Connelly. Both of us have fantasies of something that never happened. Congressman Nadler said it clearly today when he said today a jury would find Trump guilty in 3 minutes flat.

There is a reason that Pence , Pompeo, Giuliani and Mulvaney are refusing to testify. They would have to perjure themselves or expose Trump. It's important to remember that the order not to cooperate with Congress is as much a crime as the Ukraine bribery is.
 
BobTheCoward said:
A good attorney would fight an unconstitutional subpoena, also.

And there is a reason the video is called, "don't talk to the police" and not, "unless you can help your case".
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VBA= very bad analogy.

The courts have already agreed these are legal constitutional subpoenas. Just because Trump huffs and puffs and has minions huff and puff with him has zero bearing on whether those subpoenas are valid.
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
VBA= very bad analogy.

The courts have already agreed these are legal constitutional subpoenas. Just because Trump huffs and puffs and has minions huff and puff with him has zero bearing on whether those subpoenas are valid.
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Then let a defendant exercise their right to appeal.
 
BobTheCoward said:
A good attorney would fight an unconstitutional subpoena, also.
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Oh, come on, Bob. These are not unconstitutional subpoenas and you know it. This is nothing but a delaying tactic and always has been. Trump can't release his tax returns while being audited was excuse #1. No law says he can't release them during an audit. So where are they?

And there is a reason the video is called, "don't talk to the police" and not, "unless you can help your case".
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Does that "Don't talk to the police" video advise you not to provide an exculpatory alibi? You don't talk to the police without a lawyer. Trump has tons of lawyers. Give me a break with the excuses.
 
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I miss the days when Bob was the only once spouting off his sea-lioning insanity and it wasn't the official policy of the 85% of the government of the United States and their supporters.

It's like internet arguing leaked into the real world in the life few years. People are making trolling and gish galloping and endless pedantics work in real life in a way they never did before.
 
Stacyhs said:
Oh, come on, Bob. These are not unconstitutional subpoenas and you know it. This is nothing but a delaying tactic and always has been. Trump can't release his tax returns while being audited was excuse #1. No law says he can't release them during an audit. So where are they?



Does that "Don't talk to the police" video advise you not to provide an exculpatory alibi? You don't talk to the police without a lawyer. Trump has tons of lawyers. Give me a break with the excuses.
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What excuses? He should exhaust every defensive strategy possible for its own sake. Nothing needs to be excused. Everyone should pursue such a strategy if possible


As for "and you know it." I have mentioned repeatedly I am a coordinate construction and unitary executive advocate. If anyone here would oppose the subpoenas, it would be me.
 
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JoeMorgue said:
I miss the days when Bob was the only once spouting off his sea-lioning insanity and it wasn't the official policy of the 85% of the government of the United States and their supporters.

It's like internet arguing leaked into the real world in the life few years. People are making trolling and gish galloping and endless pedantics work in real life in a way they never did before.
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They've been shoveling this same crap for decades. Don't you remember all that family values moralizing the GOP got up to in the late eighties/early nineties, only for half of them to wind up caught in bed with underage boys?
 
JoeMorgue said:
I miss the days when Bob was the only once spouting off his sea-lioning insanity and it wasn't the official policy of the 85% of the government of the United States and their supporters.
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If I were on a democratic or republican forum my questions would be rude. Which is why I don't post there. But this forum's only real value is skepticism and covers everything from solipsism to extremely flexible skepticism. That leaves few options to label persistent questioning as excessive.
 
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