horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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Should we not just play along with the Charade?
Is there ...
was there, any reason for us to change?
Sure, I suppose we could have gained some vicarious pleasure in listening in on some witty repartee.
But at the juncture, I feel the whole point to this thread is moot (probably).
 
Case fixing and influence peddling?

I get the sense the Jussie Smollett case is a grand example of case fixing fused with influence peddling.

A judge sealed the court file, and the Cook County State's Attorney's office played a role. How and why did that happen? Who all was involved?

There is no transparency. The circumstances, facts, and contexts have been buried.
 
Stout said:
So this Jussie Smolette guy, is he the first American to ever scam a couple of Nigerians ? If he isn't well, then there's no point in his beating himself up over it.

I'll get my coat.
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The Nigerians are actually American citizens, so it wouldn't count anyway.
 
We now have a name for the cook in the kitchen who let Jussie go. Cook County's First Assistant State's Attorney Joe Magats. Now known as Joe Maggots.

The prosecutor who dropped Jussie Smollett's charges says he believes the actor lied to the police

CNN said:
The prosecutor who dropped the charges against Jussie Smollett said he still believes the actor lied to the police about the racist and homophobic attack he allegedly staged in Chicago in January.

In a surprise hearing Tuesday, Joe Magats, the first assistant state's attorney in Cook County, Illinois, announced he decided to drop charges against Smollett. The stunning reversal 18 days after a grand jury indicted the "Empire" actor on felony disorderly conduct outraged the Chicago mayor and police department.

The decision to drop the charges does not mean the actor was innocent or any new evidence was presented, Magats told CNN affiliate WLS.

"We believe he did what he was charged with doing," he said. "This was not an exoneration. To say he was exonerated by us or anyone else is not true." He said charges are dropped in thousands of cases, but Smollett's case is getting scrutinized because he is a celebrity.

"There are plenty of other cases ... over 5,700 that have gotten some type of alternative or deferred type of prosecution involving a dismissal at the end of the case," he said. "To think that there is some type of infirmity or something that we learned about the case or something that we don't want aired is not true."...

...Gloria Schmidt, the attorney for the brothers, Olabinjo and Abimbola Osundairo, said they were "fully prepared" to testify in Smollett's case. After the charges were dropped, the attorney said via a publicist she no longer represents the brothers as trial witnesses in the criminal matter...
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/27/entertainment/jussie-smollett-wednesday/index.html


It seems that what happened to Smollett is very common. Criminals who are obviously guilty, and are likely to be found guilty at trial, are let go under certain conditions. Importantly, they must be determined to be nonviolent and do not pose a danger.

Everyone is reacting with shock and outrage because they don't know how common and routine this sort of thing really is. Smollett wasn't freed because he is special or somebody pulled some special strings. It happened because that's what the "justice system" does every day. Or so it seems.

Look at the other 5,700 criminals who were set free. There is a lot of outrage available there - if you are inclined to be outraged.
 
William Parcher said:
We now have a name for the cook in the kitchen who let Jussie go. Cook County's First Assistant State's Attorney Joe Magats. Now known as Joe Maggots.

The prosecutor who dropped Jussie Smollett's charges says he believes the actor lied to the police



https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/27/entertainment/jussie-smollett-wednesday/index.html


It seems that what happened to Smollett is very common. Criminals who are obviously guilty, and are likely to be found guilty at trial, are let go under certain conditions. Importantly, they must be determined to be nonviolent and do not pose a danger.

Everyone is reacting with shock and outrage because they don't know how common and routine this sort of thing really is. Smollett wasn't freed because he is special or somebody pulled some special strings. It happened because that's what the "justice system" does every day. Or so it seems.

Look at the other 5,700 criminals who were set free. There is a lot of outrage available there - if you are inclined to be outraged.
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This is what I was thinking. How would a case like this been handled if there had not been a star involved and it hadn't become a national story. Maybe the loss of his bond and some community service was a typical punishment for similar type cases that didn't make headlines.
 
Time for a new thread: horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett v2.0

The not-exactly-exonerated Smollett is made to pay off the City of Chicago to the tune of 10G, while homophobic racist MAGA ninjas roam the frozen wastelands of pre dawn-Illinois with impunity from police. Will Smollett croon songs about injustice, maybe staging a Fyre Festival-like Fundraiser? Stay tuned...
 
Ernie M said:
I get the sense the Jussie Smollett case is a grand example of case fixing fused with influence peddling.

A judge sealed the court file, and the Cook County State's Attorney's office played a role. How and why did that happen? Who all was involved?

There is no transparency. The circumstances, facts, and contexts have been buried.
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I'm sure that happens a lot, but in this case it is a very public case with a with a lot of emotion invested by the general public. I don't know anything about the US justice system beyond My Cousin Vinnie, but my impression is that when a justice system has a case with a lot of public attention, they better use the opportunity to reinforce their image as being fair.

Rome literally became a republic because the king's son was accused of rape and his dad intervened on his behalf.
The Rodney King trial was perceived to be so unfair that it not only sparked the biggest riots in US history but also was a big factor in a black jury acquitting OJ Simpson in retaliation.

And this case is not only a public trial, but heavily tied in with all sorts of divisive social issues. A liberal gay black man orchestrating a fake attack to 'prove' how the system is against him, is let of the hook by the system seemingly because he is a liberal gay black man with connections.

JS's conscious scheme to agitate something as precarious as race relations so he could play the victim is the most damning aspect of his whole stupid scheme.

This is a case that will be an important moment in the so-called 'culture war' and people will refer to it often.

It looks to me like the courts blew a great chance to show themselves to be neutral and a mediating factor in a country that is dealing with a lot of polarisation.

It's not a bad as Jeffery Epstein being allowed to 'do time' by sleeping at a luxury mock jail for a couple of weeks. But it still looks like class justice and lady justice certainly isn't blind.

Giving this narcissistic twit some kind of meaningful punishment could have been a way to put things right, but instead will make some people distrust the justice system and politicians, and will have done damage to relations between groups. Trust in institutions is one of the most important assets a country has.
 
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The world is outraged because a guy was let go after doing disorderly conduct. He paid $10K to walk free after disorderly conduct. That's too much money. Spitting on a retail store window is probably also disorderly conduct.

It's just so petty. Disorderly conduct is simply conducting oneself out of normal order. We've all done that.

What he did needs to be renamed so that outrage is justified. The charge should be renamed to Murder of Righteous Goodness.
 
Eddie Dane said:
I'm sure that happens a lot, but in this case it is a very public case with a with a lot of emotion invested by the general public. I don't know anything about the US justice system beyond My Cousin Vinnie, but my impression is that when a justice system has a case with a lot of public attention, they better use the opportunity to reinforce their image as being fair.

Rome literally became a republic because the king's son was accused of rape and his dad intervened on his behalf.
The Rodney King trial was perceived to be so unfair that it not only sparked the biggest riots in US history but also was a big factor in a black jury acquitting OJ Simpson in retaliation.

And this case is not only a public trial, but heavily tied in with all sorts of divisive social issues. A liberal gay black man orchestrating a fake attack to 'prove' how the system is against him, is let of the hook by the system seemingly because he is a liberal gay black man with connections.

JS's conscious scheme to agitate something as precarious as race relations so he could play the victim is the most damning aspect of his whole stupid scheme.

This is a case that will be an important moment in the so-called 'culture war' and people will refer to it often.

It looks to me like the courts blew a great chance to show themselves to be neutral and a mediating factor in a country that is dealing with a lot of polarisation.

It's not a bad as Jeffery Epstein being allowed to 'do time' by sleeping at a luxury mock jail for a couple of weeks. But it still looks like class justice and lady justice certainly isn't blind.

Giving this narcissistic twit some kind of meaningful punishment could have been a way to put things right, but instead will make some people distrust the justice system and politicians, and will have done damage to relations between groups. Trust in institutions is one of the most important assets a country has.
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What bothers me is that if there was riots I'd agree in principal. But the people doing the rioting would end up being the scum of the earth and go after all the wrong people do it the wrong way, and for the wrong reasons.

How ****** is society when the only people who find this sick enough to take to the streets would be neo nazi scum,who just want to crack heads and say ****** really loud?
 
William Parcher said:
The world is outraged because a guy was let go after doing disorderly conduct. He paid $10K to walk free after disorderly conduct. That's too much money. Spitting on a retail store window is probably also disorderly conduct.

It's just so petty. Disorderly conduct is simply conducting oneself out of normal order. We've all done that.

What he did needs to be renamed so that outrage is justified. The charge should be renamed to Murder of Righteous Goodness.
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What about hate crime?

What would I get charged with if I said two Islamic guys beat me, yelled things about destroying western society and tried to behead me?
 
sadhatter said:
What about hate crime?

What would I get charged with if I said two Islamic guys beat me, yelled things about destroying western society and tried to behead me?
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Assuming that your story was a lie/hoax, then you would be charged with disorderly conduct - just like Smollett.

It's not elevated to a hate crime because there is no victim or entity. You didn't beat anybody up or that sort of thing. All you did was tell a lie to the police. A fake story was told to the police.
 
The hot sauce bottle actually was used by the brothers. It held the bleach that they sprinkled on Smollett.

I'll provide a link soon. I'm just overjoyed that the bottle is back. :D
 
You have to love how know that the charges are not only dropped, but removed completely from the record, the racists have to backpedal to conspiracy theory territory.

The Chicago Police Department has to openly complain about this but they gladly traded this for the internal affairs investigation over the leaks to end.




His attorneys maintain the actor was attacked in Chicago in January and that misinformation led to a rush to judgment against him.
After the charges were formally dropped, Smollett told reporters he was thankful to everyone who stood by him. He maintained his innocence, saying he would not put his family "through a fire like this" for a lie.

"I have been truthful and consistent on every single level since day one," he said before leaving the court building. "I would not be my mother's son if I was capable of one drop of what I've been accused of."
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/27/entertainment/jussie-smollett-wednesday/index.html


Fox and 20th Century Fox Television are "gratified" that the case against "Empire" actor Jussie Smollett was dropped, a spokesperson said in a statement.
“Jussie Smollett has always maintained his innocence and we are gratified that all charges against him have been dismissed,” spokesperson Chris Alexander said in the statement.

The studio and network produce the series “Empire,” the television drama on which Smollett has appeared since 2015.
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https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/jussie-smollett-charges/index.html
 
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