horrifying attack on Jussie Smollett

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If MAGA turned out to be someone using Nigerian slang, I confess that this will be a little bit amazing.
 
“If I had said it was a Muslim or a Mexican or someone black, I feel like the doubters would have supported me a lot more,” Smollett said during the TV interview.

Jussie simpering on Good Morning America

MAGA COUNTRY!
 
Cavemonster said:
There's a statement by TMZ and a link to another article by TMZ. I have not yet seen a specific quote from Smollett with that statement. In the article they point to their "Jussie Sources" without specifying who those sources are or what their relationship may be to Jussie. They do not even claim to have gotten a direct quote from Smollett.

TMZ, as I hope we've all learned over the course of this investigation, is not a great news source and has been inaccurate about a number of details.

It's TMZ, a gossip rag, take it with some salt.
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It may very well be a gossip rag, it certainly looks like one but there was some confusion earlier about whether that statement was made and where it came from. TMZ is, obviously where it came from and given Jussie's statement that if he'd identified his assailants as Muslim, Black etc, there wouldn't be so much doubt it certainly looks like he trying to pin the blame on a couple of white dudes.
 
Stout said:
It may very well be a gossip rag, it certainly looks like one but there was some confusion earlier about whether that statement was made and where it came from. TMZ is, obviously where it came from and given Jussie's statement that if he'd identified his assailants as Muslim, Black etc, there wouldn't be so much doubt it certainly looks like he trying to pin the blame on a couple of white dudes.
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So we've shifted from no attack happened to Jussie staged it to Jussie is trying to blame the wrong people?

ANYTHING to make him the villain. Logic and credulity and logic be damned.
 
Cavemonster said:
So we've shifted from no attack happened to Jussie staged it to Jussie is trying to blame the wrong people?

ANYTHING to make him the villain. Logic and credulity and logic be damned.
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We're working with what we got, right ?

If you don't figure it's enough then sit back with a bowl of popcorn and let us get on with our game.
 
Jussie never had any reason to believe, nor did he ever imply, that his attackers were white.

Jussie never had any reason to believe, nor did he ever imply, that his attackers were black.

Is one of those true and not the other? Are both true? Are both false?
 
Cavemonster said:
So we've shifted from no attack happened to Jussie staged it to Jussie is trying to blame the wrong people?

ANYTHING to make him the villain. Logic and credulity and logic be damned.
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Its really not that. Its that the whole tale has reeked of BS from the beginning. A lot of us are trying to figure out what is really going down.

Is it so implausible that this is not a race issue as much as a buffoonish comedy?
 
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Cavemonster said:
So we've shifted from no attack happened to Jussie staged it to Jussie is trying to blame the wrong people?

ANYTHING to make him the villain. Logic and credulity and logic be damned.
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RULE OF SO! hot dog!

You seem to believe that those are mutually exclusive, they are not.

No attack happened because Jussie staged it and blamed it on two unknown men who were not Mexican, Black or Muslim who allegedly yelled out this is MAGA Country.

The blame it on the wrong people and the whole hate crime anti-Trump hoax has been exposed, and with it all the hysterical nincompoops who claimed it was domestic terrorism, a lynching, etc. The only thing left to prove is how far Jussie is tied up in it.
 
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Smollett said in an interview that aired Thursday on ABC's "Good Morning America" that one of the attackers told him it was "MAGA country" before punching him in the face. ("MAGA" refers to President Trump's campaign slogan, "Make American Great Again.")

"So I punched his ass back," Smollett told Robin Roberts in the interview. "And then we started tussling. It was very icy, and we ended up tussling by the stairs, fighting, fighting, fighting. There was a second person involved who was kicking me in my back, and then it just stopped and they ran off."
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GMA interview.

Jussie must have been down on the ground to be kicked in the back?

Amazing how little damage these two large dudes did to him in this fight.

He's very lucky, imo.
 
If I’m understanding correctly.

A person suspects the incident as initially presented is fabricated, then they are racist for calling the alleged victim a liar.

If later the incident proves to be fabricated and the initial suspicions are confirmed, a person is still a racist for having those suspicions.

Sounds like a set up where the alleged victim gets to claim proof of their agenda regardless of what really happened. Further, anyone who cast doubt on the veracity oft he claims is still a racist regardless of what really happened.
 
The Big Dog said:
RULE OF SO! hot dog!

You seem to believe that those are mutually exclusive, they are not.

No attack happened because Jussie staged it and blamed it on two unknown men who "were not Mexican, Black or Muslim" who allegedly yelled out this is MAGA Country.
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Your text in quotation marks is not a quote. But you knew that.
 
"I never said that," he said. "I didn't need to add anything like that. They called me a ********t, they called me a n****r. There's no which way you cut it. I don't need some MAGA hat as the cherry on some racist sundae."
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That's as clear as you can get without specifically saying they were white guys, imo.
 
Dr. Keith said:
What about those of us on the left who never really felt this story had much going for it but noted that it excited a response from posters* who had already shown they were predisposed to racist commentary? What are we thinking up?
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I wasn't referring to everybody on the left, I wasn't even referring to people on this forum. According to Political Compass, I'm a leftist too, and I certainly wasn't referring to myself.
 
Spock Jenkins said:
If I’m understanding correctly.

A person suspects the incident as initially presented is fabricated, then they are racist for calling the alleged victim a liar.

If later the incident proves to be fabricated and the initial suspicions are confirmed, a person is still a racist for having those suspicions.

Sounds like a set up where the alleged victim gets to claim proof of their agenda regardless of what really happened. Further, anyone who cast doubt on the veracity oft he claims is still a racist regardless of what really happened.
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Yes, exactly, that's the way things are done using "progressive" rules of engagement. It's one big witch for racists and if none are to be found, then just make some up to fill the quota.

A noose tied in a windsor knot...lol wut ?
 
Cavemonster said:
Your text in quotation marks is not a quote. But you knew that.
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great catch! I went back and fixed it. let me make the record clear that he said:

“If I had said it was a Muslim or a Mexican or someone black, I feel like the doubters would have supported me a lot more,”

Great point!! let me make this super duper clear:

“If I had said it was a Muslim or a Mexican or someone black, I feel like the doubters would have supported me a lot more,” Smollett said during the TV interview.
 
The Big Dog said:
What is likely is that Jussie knew these clowns and it had nothing to do with racial prejudice and certainly nothing to do with MAGA COUNTRY.

Just African-African on African-American violence, I reckon.

Shame.
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What to do when one is shown to have knee-jerked to a false conclusion? Double-down of course!

A lot of posters in this thread look pretty foolish right now.
 
varwoche said:
What to do when one is shown to have knee-jerked to a false conclusion? Double-down of course!

A lot of posters in this thread look pretty foolish right now.
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Absolutely! We agree. Anyone who believed one word of Jussie's bull **** story looks really foolish right now indeed.
 
Spock Jenkins said:
If I’m understanding correctly.

A person suspects the incident as initially presented is fabricated, then they are racist for calling the alleged victim a liar.

If later the incident proves to be fabricated and the initial suspicions are confirmed, a person is still a racist for having those suspicions.

Sounds like a set up where the alleged victim gets to claim proof of their agenda regardless of what really happened. Further, anyone who cast doubt on the veracity oft he claims is still a racist regardless of what really happened.
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I think you've misread.

First generally though, do you believe someone can make a correct prediction for the wrong reasons? Do you believe patterns of behavior might be taken into effect?

If someone reaches to lock their car door every time they see a black guy out the window, are they not racist and operating on great critical thinking if one day a black guy they drive past is actually a car jacker?

That's the case here.

Poster's aren't racist because they doubted a story. They're racist because this is not their first thread. They ALWAYS think the black guy is the villain. And they go to ludicrous lengths to justify it. With reasoning that contradicts each other and often contradicts themselves. One might think it's the regular flow of bad predictions except for the level of certainty and bile the apply to it and the level of consistency in who they target as the villain. And the sheer number of angles they pursue to try to find a way to tar the black person as the villain.

If this were an isolated thread or what they did was merely make a prediction, your post might sort of apply. Not the case for many of the posters in this thread.
 
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