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Today we are going to talk about the focused explosions of pulverized building material/concrete that shoots out of the building 20-30 floors ahead of the collapse front. We have all seen these. In one clip, we can see two of these blasts coming out from the midpoints of building, on different sides of the building at the same level.
I would like to know why it is more believable that these explosive, focused blasts of pulverized material coming out at the mid-points of the building are more easily explained by these two quite ridiculous explanations, which i will argue against in advance, than the squib theory, which they perfectly resemble.
1. The first is given by popular mechanics:
"Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air — along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse — was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception." "
Alright pancake people... We are talking about 20 to 30 floors below the collapse front. These floors are completely intact, so there is no reason why the crushing floors 200 feet above should exert a pressure that great on the floors that far below. No reason. I think we can all agree that this argument is a big load of crap.
2. The progressive collapse pressure wave theory.
Some people have professed that a pressure wave travelled down the tower, somehow ahead of the collapse front, that blew out air from windows 30 floors below.
There are so many holes in this theory, and i will address a few:
A. How does this pressure wave travel through the building in such a way that is powerful enough to blast out windows?
B. This theory has not been scientifically proven. There is no evidence that this wave can even occur given the structure of the building and the behavior of the collapse. I find it very difficult to believe that this piledriving action of the top section was able to increase the air pressure in one floor 20-30 floors to the point of blowing out windows on multiple sides of the building when there are numerous shafts and resevoirs for this air pressure to be contained.
C. Even if there was enough pressure from this wave to travel through the elevator shafts and out the windows of the building, it doesn't explain the pulverized building material. How was concrete able to be pulverized. You can see the enormous amount of dust and debris that gets blown out of the window along with the window itself.
So there you go. I'm looking for some reasons and explanations for what you believe to be true. Please spare me the personal attacks and insults. If you don't understand physics, please just wait for someone else to respond who does.
Today we are going to talk about the focused explosions of pulverized building material/concrete that shoots out of the building 20-30 floors ahead of the collapse front. We have all seen these. In one clip, we can see two of these blasts coming out from the midpoints of building, on different sides of the building at the same level.
I would like to know why it is more believable that these explosive, focused blasts of pulverized material coming out at the mid-points of the building are more easily explained by these two quite ridiculous explanations, which i will argue against in advance, than the squib theory, which they perfectly resemble.
1. The first is given by popular mechanics:
"Like all office buildings, the WTC towers contained a huge volume of air. As they pancaked, all that air — along with the concrete and other debris pulverized by the force of the collapse — was ejected with enormous energy. "When you have a significant portion of a floor collapsing, it's going to shoot air and concrete dust out the window," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder tells PM. Those clouds of dust may create the impression of a controlled demolition, Sunder adds, "but it is the floor pancaking that leads to that perception." "
Alright pancake people... We are talking about 20 to 30 floors below the collapse front. These floors are completely intact, so there is no reason why the crushing floors 200 feet above should exert a pressure that great on the floors that far below. No reason. I think we can all agree that this argument is a big load of crap.
2. The progressive collapse pressure wave theory.
Some people have professed that a pressure wave travelled down the tower, somehow ahead of the collapse front, that blew out air from windows 30 floors below.
There are so many holes in this theory, and i will address a few:
A. How does this pressure wave travel through the building in such a way that is powerful enough to blast out windows?
B. This theory has not been scientifically proven. There is no evidence that this wave can even occur given the structure of the building and the behavior of the collapse. I find it very difficult to believe that this piledriving action of the top section was able to increase the air pressure in one floor 20-30 floors to the point of blowing out windows on multiple sides of the building when there are numerous shafts and resevoirs for this air pressure to be contained.
C. Even if there was enough pressure from this wave to travel through the elevator shafts and out the windows of the building, it doesn't explain the pulverized building material. How was concrete able to be pulverized. You can see the enormous amount of dust and debris that gets blown out of the window along with the window itself.
So there you go. I'm looking for some reasons and explanations for what you believe to be true. Please spare me the personal attacks and insults. If you don't understand physics, please just wait for someone else to respond who does.
