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Hopsicker calls for more investigative journalists

investigative journalism died a while ago.
we have centralized "news" outlets...
And exactly how much of television and/or print journalism have you personally read/seen from other nations? Watched any CBC lately? CTV? Read any of The Toronto Star or Maclean's recently? Or are you simply assuming that other countries suffer the same media issues as in the United States?
 
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All quotes are from Metamars.


Not that I know of. The reason that I make posts calling for this is in the hope of helping to bring it into being. As the infrastructure for these sorts of efforts takes a mature form (again, see newassignment.net), I'm optimistic that it will be applied to worthy causes, even if it doesn't catch on in the 911 sphere.

As a rough sketch, this appeal for large numbers of small donations would probably appear on sites with a lot of traffic. It would appear as an appeal to channel funds to a particular 911 project or a small number of projects.

You've mentioned 2 general types of possibilities:

1) Investigative reporting.
2) Technical projects.

In order to do this you would try to appeal to people who have sites which are considered central and receive many hits daily.

Great idea. Unfortunately, I have already had some experience communicating with "management" at STJ911 and Richard Gage. They would have the popular appeal to actualize this idea. Their agendas are set in stone.

They consider microspheres to be some kind of smoking gun, yet Streven Jones cannot answer the most elementary counter-arguments against this. He simply ignores them.


Concerning Steven, you ask

And why do you say that he is not in a mood to share?

As Frank Greening has mentioned to me a few times, Steven Jones claims to have examined "hundreds" of spheres. Yet only a handful of these were ever made public. Even in the few that were made public Frank has noticed inconsistencies between individual spheres, suggesting multiple origins of the spheres.

Frank can comment no further because he and everyone else are denied access to the data.

I really don't know why I was recently banned from the STJ911 forum, but mentioning these contradictions and the absurd division of sceintific arguments into 2 artificial, discriminatory classes must have been the reason.


So you can clearly see that publicly promoting microspheres as a smoking gun and putting all ones "eggs" into that basket is a recipe for total failure. My only question remaining is whether it is a planned, intentional intellectual suicide or is it just accidental?

This is not just Vic. Gurich sent an e-mail to Kevin Ryan and got a rather strange reply suggesting that many people agree with her actions.


On the more popular front appeals for small donations on 911 Blogger for either investigative reporting or technical projects would probably be run through the STJ911 and AE911T "filter" and be soundly rejected. My guess is that with proper, sane management of STJ911, AE911T and the 911 Research websites your idea of small donation funding can become a wonderful tool.

But without the support of these 3 sites they will treat you as unwanted competition and effectively work against you.


The institutions which should be performing these functions (basically government and media) have failed. They're the ones with the bucks.

As you implicitly suggest, these institutions must be by-passed. There is not much point waiting for these institutions to reform themselves. Big money has no interest in reforming them. A careful observer could have seen the decay spreading for some time now.

and low level of techinical analysis, especially computer FEM's, by stj911, as having in common a lack of money, which, in turn,was and is made almost inevitable for the same reason.

It was more than that. He received zero help. He told me that he sensed something was rather strange about STJ911.


So, just as an outline, how would you visualize the idea of microfunding manifesting through 911 truth?

Can you see how, by using the current structure, an appeal to STJ911, AE911T and 911 Research would be a key place to start?

Considering what is mentioned in this post, can you see how those in the best position to actualize this good idea will become your greatest obstacle?

This is why I use the word "strangle-hold".
 
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Nope. He is stalling with the ol' "they are afraid" and "they are part of the conspiracy" arguments. Well I think he is also stuck on the media being corporate controlled. Of course ignoring any of the respected independent media outlets.

And let's not forget about school newspapers. Are all those college and high school students are afraid to get an F in journalism if they publish "the truth"?

Will the NWO take away little Billy's milk money if he spills the 9/11 beans in the 5th grade's paper?
 
All quotes are from Metamars.




As a rough sketch, this appeal for large numbers of small donations would probably appear on sites with a lot of traffic. It would appear as an appeal to channel funds to a particular 911 project or a small number of projects.

You've mentioned 2 general types of possibilities:

1) Investigative reporting.
2) Technical projects.

In order to do this you would try to appeal to people who have sites which are considered central and receive many hits daily.

Great idea. Unfortunately, I have already had some experience communicating with "management" at STJ911 and Richard Gage. They would have the popular appeal to actualize this idea. Their agendas are set in stone.
I'd like to see a banner ad at all of the 911 web sites, as well as leaders in the field speak up, in the form of endorsing the idea in print and in their speeches. As for "set in stone", I agree that stj911 is censoring and marginalizing, - even on a private forum - but it's an exaggeration to think of it like the old Soviet Union. Anyway, since one of the projects would be to study the dust samples, I don't see what the objection could be. If there was an objection, then of course that would invite all sorts of, well, conspiracy theories regarding what is actually going on there.


They consider microspheres to be some kind of smoking gun, yet Streven Jones cannot answer the most elementary counter-arguments against this. He simply ignores them.
He recently said (in the forum) that he invites questions. However, I don't see where he's adequately answered the questions already put to him. I normally stay out of arguments involving chemistry, knowing very little of it, but that's the way I see it.

Concerning Steven, you ask



As Frank Greening has mentioned to me a few times, Steven Jones claims to have examined "hundreds" of spheres. Yet only a handful of these were ever made public. Even in the few that were made public Frank has noticed inconsistencies between individual spheres, suggesting multiple origins of the spheres.

Frank can comment no further because he and everyone else are denied access to the data.

I was talking about access to physical samples. As far as I know, Jones is not hogging the hard data (unlike our 'friends' at NIST), and recently called for help analyzing the dust at a public presentation (within the last 2 months, I believe). Just because Jones has examined hundreds of spheres, that doesn't mean that he's taken careful measurements of all of them.

I really don't know why I was recently banned from the STJ911 forum,
Which is outrageous, by the way. I've asked about this, in the forum, and gotten no answer.
but mentioning these contradictions and the absurd division of sceintific arguments into 2 artificial, discriminatory classes must have been the reason.
I believe you were banned because you pressed the issue of getting answers to Greening's reasonable questions. Apparently, "Vic" considers this some sort of attack on "our theories".

So you can clearly see that publicly promoting microspheres as a smoking gun and putting all ones "eggs" into that basket is a recipe for total failure. My only question remaining is whether it is a planned, intentional intellectual suicide or is it just accidental?
I think you're reading too much into it when you suggest intentional suicide, and too little into it when you suggest accident. You should read "The Trouble with Physics" and "Not Even Wrong" to better understand what is happening. You're ignoring psychological and sociological factors. You can see a similar 'paring down of alternative explanations' right in this thread. Despite replying, at length, wherein I get into the subject of motivations for not doing investigative reporting, subsequent posters seem unable to wrap their minds around it. They insist on interpreting my answer to imply "just fear" or "they are part of the conspiracy". I'm afraid that even if I spent all my waking hours trying to reason with such people, it wouldn't make a lick of difference. They have their conspiracist worldview, and they're sticking to it. Also, as is typical, they're not really interested investigating the subject of their theory - viz., investigative journalists themselves. Mustn't let any ugly facts derail their beautiful, anti-CT theories!

Hopefully, you are more facile of mind, and will seriously consider the analyses done by scientists who study the behavior of scientists, and who feel no need to confine themselves to a conspiracy vs. accident dichotomy.

This is not just Vic. Gurich sent an e-mail to Kevin Ryan and got a rather strange reply suggesting that many people agree with her actions.
Ryan is probably correct, though that's nothing to brag about!

On the more popular front appeals for small donations on 911 Blogger for either investigative reporting or technical projects would probably be run through the STJ911 and AE911T "filter" and be soundly rejected.
We disagree, but why waste time on such a disagreement? If anybody ever picks up the ball and runs with it, they would do well to ask these organizations. You don't really know what the response would be, unless you're psychic, in which case James Randi has a big prize for you.

My guess is that with proper, sane management of STJ911, AE911T and the 911 Research websites your idea of small donation funding can become a wonderful tool.
Cool!

But without the support of these 3 sites they will treat you as unwanted competition and effectively work against you.
There are other fish in the sea. 911truth.org is a big one. Snag them, and I'm sure a lot of others would follow. Surprisingly, there's what appears to be a significant 911 Truth movement in Europe.



As you implicitly suggest, these institutions must be by-passed. There is not much point waiting for these institutions to reform themselves. Big money has no interest in reforming them. A careful observer could have seen the decay spreading for some time now.
I started listening to Gary Null decades ago. Talk about eye-opening. BTW, I had posted a link to my "Putting the NY Times Out of Business" on Gary Null's web site, hoping that he, of all people, would be interested. Don't know if he saw it, but I'm afraid that he, too, is not seeing the potential for bypassing television.

It was more than that. He received zero help. He told me that he sensed something was rather strange about STJ911.
Go into almost any church and ask about who volunteers their time, vs. what is needed. Talk to your neighbors about holding an anti-war demonstration in your city park, and see who agrees to show up. Talk to your local Boy Scout troop about what percentage of fathers ever accompany their troop on a hike. I believe you'll find a modified pareto's type of rule holds, with something like 5% of the people doing 95% of the volunteering.

If stj911 has 400 members, half are scientists, and only 40 of those, say, know how to do FEM, 5% of those forty is exactly 2 people. If Lon is one of them, the other one may have been in the hospital, planning a wedding, fill in some other activity. I don't think it's all that strange.

So, just as an outline, how would you visualize the idea of microfunding manifesting through 911 truth?

Once the infrastructure is there, slap banner ads on as many 911 web sites as will accept them, contact all leaders, and hope for the best. It's not all that complicated.

Can you see how, by using the current structure, an appeal to STJ911, AE911T and 911 Research would be a key place to start?

Considering what is mentioned in this post, can you see how those in the best position to actualize this good idea will become your greatest obstacle?

This is why I use the word "strangle-hold".
I don't see the "strangle-hold", I see an idea whose time had not come in 2001, 2002, ..., 2007, even, but which is being developed even as we speak. Newassignment.net launched July 2006, and for sure there was not a funding mechanism infrastructure extant at that time. In fact, the spot.us web site is not open for business, yet!

One thing one needs, in attempting to change societies big and small, is patience.
 
Metamars, I'm interested on gathering info and links you feel are important to learn about this type of funding.

I have no more access to "Putting the NYT out of business" through the STJ911 forum. Is there an alternative link to it? If not, could you send it to me and I can post it online?

What do you consider to be useful reading on the subject? Useful links? I'd like to share the idea with others.

Please provide a small reading list accessible online to bring us JREFers up to speed.

I've also heard of a 501-C3 nonprofit corp that is useful for forming an educational website and soliciting donations.



I'll read the links you provide and I'm sure I'll have more questions. Thanks.
 
Metamars, I'm interested on gathering info and links you feel are important to learn about this type of funding.

I have no more access to "Putting the NYT out of business" through the STJ911 forum. Is there an alternative link to it? If not, could you send it to me and I can post it online?

What do you consider to be useful reading on the subject? Useful links? I'd like to share the idea with others.

Please provide a small reading list accessible online to bring us JREFers up to speed.

I've also heard of a 501-C3 nonprofit corp that is useful for forming an educational website and soliciting donations.



I'll read the links you provide and I'm sure I'll have more questions. Thanks.

I'll send you stuff that I have on my proposal later. For now, look at http://crowdfunding.pbwiki.com/ . Really, collecting money via accounts set up online is no big deal. Collecting via monthly or quarterly withdrawals from a credit card is tricky, AFAIK, since it's considered not secure and 'probably' violates terms of the credit card companies. I think the situation is that credit card companies simply look the other way, not wanting to lose out on the revenue. Don't quote me on this, but I have actually researched this about 3 years ago.

I don't think there's any legal issues wrt automatic withdrawals from checking accounts.

You should also check out rentacoder.com, as a software buyer. You can check out the solution they have for facilitating exchange between buyers and coders, and how the money is put into escrow, with some protection in case of disputes. In a sense, what I'd like to see is a 'rentaninvestigativereporter.com', where the money goes into escrow via crowdfunding. I suppose for handling disputes you would want an official organization representing the crowd-funders. That's where a trustworthy and transparent stj911 and/or ae911truth would come in handy. However, there are other groups, such 911truth.org, or even the 911 families (which include the Jersey girls) which prepared questions. Another difference from rentacoder.com is that projects can be proposed by either the crowd-funders or the investigative journalists/science and engineering team/activist group. (I.e., the 'software coder' in the rentacoder.com system).

There should also be families of projects (in this case, a 911 family). This would allow you, the crowd member, to split up your monthly or quarterly funding into various projects of your choosing, as you see fit. So, e.g., for people who think doing a FEM is a waste of time, they would choose not to fund it at all, but rather split up their subscription between a verification of Hopsicker project and, say, funding workers for NYC ballot initiative. (Obviously, these projects are not all of the investigative type. )

Email alerts (which you can opt out of) would be sent weekly/monthly/quarterly to crowd members regarding status. Also, the system should admit of self-promotion, so that you can have the same status emails sent to your family and friends, informing them of the projects that you are funding, why you are doing so, and inviting them to join.

Similarly, crowd-funders should get status emails from the funded projects, letting them know what's going on. These could also be sent to family and friends.

Dynamic code snippets could be incorporated into the home pages of participating web sites, which shows the funding status of the various 911 projects that that particular group endorses. By 'dynamic', I mean that they pull this financial status information from 'rentaninvestigativereporter.com' in real time.

One of the things that concerns me about groups (and even individuals) that ask for money is when how the money is used is not disclosed. So, I think some sort of stab should be made towards auditing projects that are over, say, $1,000.
 
Wow, what a stark inconsistency. It's hard to believe that these stories would have remained on his web site like this, for so long. I sent him an email about this. If he replies, I'll post.

Yes, it is odd, isn't it. The whole premise of Hopsicker's argument is that the FBI are lying about when Atta entered the US (3/6/2000). Obviously, a date after this for the Keller/Atta business destroys Hopsicker's argument. Incidentally, for Hopsicker's argument to work the INS and the Department of Justice, amongst others, must also be lying.



Hopsicker is claiming that Mohammed Arajaki was an alias of M. Atta, as per the Finnish government. Unfortunately, he gives no reference to support this. (Though he mentions Amanda Keller, herself, as stating this.)

Yes, most unfortunate. Of course, the FBI gives a list of aliases discovered to have been used by Atta. Arajaki is not one of them. FBI lying again?


Furthermore, he shows a pictures of whoever it is that is claiming to be Arajaki, sent by 'Arajaki'. He looks nothing like Mohammed Atta. The picture is of a handsome man, who doesn't leer, and doesn't look creepy.See http://www.madcowprod.com/05022005.html

No, I don't believe that's Ararjaki. He shows two pictures supplied by Arajaki featuring the same guy. Hopsicker says " "Mr. "Mohamed Arajaki" sent along several photos of himself..." However, Hopsicker quotes from Arajaki's email: “Amanda mentions transvestites in Key West, my friend got grabbed by a group of them in the street, as it was funny, I took a picture as well". This describes the first photograph. Arajaki is saying this is a photograph that he took of his friend, Peter. The second photograph is, therefore, also Peter. Further, Hopsicker says Arajaki sent him several pictures. In my book several means three or more. Where are the others?



Furthermore, the Sandpiper apartment manager id'ed the Mohammed Atta that we all know and hate as the one that was at Keller's apartment.


But Amanda Keller was far from alone in identifying Mohamed Atta as the man she had lived with for several months. In the days after the attack every one of the local newspapers in the area—the Sarasota Herald Tribune, Charlotte Sun, and Venice Gondolier—ran eyewitness accounts of Atta at the Sandpiper, across the street from the Venice Airport.
"Charles Grapentine, the manager of Sandpiper Apartments on Airport Avenue in Venice, said he remembers seeing Atta at the complex for about three weeks in April. He said Atta was living in the apartment of Amanda Keller."
"In a telephone interview late Friday, Keller said she met Atta through a friend and let him stay in the apartment with her and her then-boyfriend, Garrett Metts, because she felt sorry for him. She said authorities told her not to say anything at all about Atta," the paper reported
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Even if the apartment manager had correctly ID'd Atta, I believe he is talking about April 2001 otherwise he would have said "April last year". Another article from the Sarasota Herald Tribune posted on Hopsicker's website confirms that we are taliking about 2001. And it looks like Keller had an early stab at telling the truth:


Keller said comments attributed to her in the Herald-Tribune on Saturday, saying that Atta lived in her apartment, were wrong. She said that it was this unidentified fifth man, also named Mohammed, that stayed in her home.
http://www.madcowprod.com/fifthpilot.htm



Mr. Garrett Metts would be a good person to talk to, also, don't you think? Wouldn't most men know something about live-in guests of their girlfriends?

Yes, indeed he would. Has Hopsicker talked to him?
 
So the theme through this seems to be that all journalists are tainted unless they agree with you. Is that a correct assumption?

If the TM wants to hire journalists, they should go collect money on their sites and hire them. Look how much We Are Change raised for 9/11. Must've been thirty/forty dollars! Since you obviously want these projects to be related to finding 911 "truth", go appeal to them and set the thing up. By all means - knock yourself out.

What I feel is that under the cloak of "neutral", you want people to contribute a monthly amount so that you can get "neutral" investigative journalists to do research to come up with better details on favored fantasies. Does the word "hired gun" not ring a bell? What would, in Chomsky's view, prevent this pen-for-hire from feeling the exact same institutional loyalties to the TM, that you claim mainstream journalists feel and allow to taint their work? "Here's some money, son. Now go out and prove us wrong." I don't think so. (As evidenced by the slants on TM polls, the censorship of TM websites, the selective evidence of TM "Journals", etc...)

Oh, and Daniel Hopsicker is to journalism what Cheez Whiz is to haute cuisine.
 
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Metamars, I'm still interested to know what you're feelings are about the reporters who did the stories on the CIA prisons, Abu Gharib, the NSA wiretaps, the Pentagon sending out paid analysts to distort the position on Iraq, among many others. Were these reporters bought off by or afraid of the govt?
 
Since I'm not about to read through his numerous long and rambling posts, could someone tell me if metamars ever offers a remotely plausible explanation why the entire worldwide media decided unanimously to not report the "truth" behind the murder of 3,000 people from over 90 countries and the subsequent conspiracy to cover it up?

Afraid fer their jobs.
 
Sorry if this is off topic, but I just noticed that some of you had mentioned Greg Palast. Are there any skeptical analysis of Greg Palast and his claims? He makes some pretty radical statements, but seems like a sincere guy. How can one know if he is legit, or just out to make a buck? Can you recommend any sites or anything like that?
 
Sorry if this is off topic, but I just noticed that some of you had mentioned Greg Palast. Are there any skeptical analysis of Greg Palast and his claims? He makes some pretty radical statements, but seems like a sincere guy. How can one know if he is legit, or just out to make a buck? Can you recommend any sites or anything like that?

That's actually a very interesting question, though you should start another thread to address it. My sense of things is that he's very good at acquiring valid information, both by dint of his spadework, and also because reliable people pass him inside information.

However, I do wonder about some claims that seem merely plausible, at best. While I've no doubt at all that the Iraq invasion was largely about oil, I find it hard to believe that the plan all along was to get it above a certain price. Of course, the oil people are ecstatic about that, but that's no proof of anything. Likewise, the "secret" meetings that Cheney was having with the oil people. I don't recall Palast reporting anything solid about a target price. I think the goal was basically control. Given control, profits are sure to follow.

IOW, I don't think this particular claim about a price goal has any smoking gun evidence. It does make for a dramatic sound bite, though.

I recently heard him talk about a "red line in the sand" that apparently is based on historical fact, but these facts go back to the early part of the last century (IIRC). They certainly can't prove anything about the last 7 years.

I do believe his story about caging lists in Florida in '00 are accurate, and Bush was "elected" due to fraud. Don't even get me started about '04.
 

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