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Homosexuality

American said:
If you believe it's not a choice, then they shouldn't.

Most women learn (and rightly resent) through hard experience that it's really all excuses and bulls--t queers make to justify their existence and avoid building a normal life.

The really intuitive women know to keep gays the hell away from their kids at all cost. Even lesbians have this good sense despite their commitment to "tolerance".

While effeminate gays are a mildly bad influence on both boys and girls, every good parent knows that machoist homosexuals are essentially outed serial predators... much like the closeted variety of "heterosexuals" who rape little girls. The only difference is that gay predators take pride in their conquest, and will generally exibit such pride with displays of leather, pink triangles, and the occasional physical altercation in defending their prey from theft or escape.

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May I suggest American that you never elect to attend a TAM - at least not one that I'm at???

Freak.
 
billydkid said:
Any girl who got pregnant in school was immediately removed and generally left the community. It was considered that she had as good as ruined her life.
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Well, for the most part, that's true; teen pregnancy is just about the most sure indicator that the mother is very likely to drop out of school, not get married, have other children out of wedlock and without any support from the father(s), live on welfare, and in general ruin her life.

When teen pregnancy was considered a taboo, however, and not merely "another nontraditional family", significantly fewer teenage girls ruined their lives that way.

P.S.

I highly resent the idea that any view about homosexuality but one's own is a sign, not of disagreement, but of some sort of "mental illness" by those who disagree.

This sort of argument--unfortunately, common among so-called "progressives" (but, then again, common among humanity in general)--is merely the same argument of religious believers, to wit, if you disagree with me the devil tempted you. It only replaced "you're possessed by the devil" with that modern bugaboo, "you're sexually repressed" (and/or "you're a racist").
 
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Skeptic - my comment was based on a quote which I believe is absolutely ridiculous and not based in any fact or with any supporting evidence.

While effeminate gays are a mildly bad influence on both boys and girls, every good parent knows that machoist homosexuals are essentially outed serial predators... much like the closeted variety of "heterosexuals" who rape little girls. The only difference is that gay predators take pride in their conquest, and will generally exibit such pride with displays of leather, pink triangles, and the occasional physical altercation in defending their prey from theft or escape.
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I feel completely justified to label the author of the above quoted drivel as a freak. I never said American was sexually repressed and/or a racist - I called him a freak, and I'll stand behind that.

If American wishes to provide evidence that a) machoist homosexuals are essentially outed serial predators, or b) effeminate gays are a mildly bad influence on both boys and girls - then I will consider said evidence and revise my judgment accordingly.

Until then...

Freak.
 
American said:
If you believe it's not a choice, then they shouldn't.

Most women learn (and rightly resent) through hard experience that it's really all excuses and bulls--t queers make to justify their existence and avoid building a normal life.

The really intuitive women know to keep gays the hell away from their kids at all cost. Even lesbians have this good sense despite their commitment to "tolerance".

While effeminate gays are a mildly bad influence on both boys and girls, every good parent knows that machoist homosexuals are essentially outed serial predators... much like the closeted variety of "heterosexuals" who rape little girls. The only difference is that gay predators take pride in their conquest, and will generally exibit such pride with displays of leather, pink triangles, and the occasional physical altercation in defending their prey from theft or escape.

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So, what? The bridge not comfortable enough for you? Had to come out and "grace" us with your presence?
 
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RANT! Actually - I'm going to go a little further. I'm sick and tired of people who run around making statements about the relative morality of individuals who prefer to stick their dangly bits into something they prefer not to. It is no body's bloody business with whom I choose to engage in a sexual act - provided that person is a consenting adult. I really cannot believe that in 2007 we are debating whether or not what someone does or doesn't do in the privacy of their home with another consenting adult has any bearing on that person's relative goodness or worthiness in society.

To examine 'American's comments more closely, I suggest you replace the label 'homosexual' with ANY other label for a group of people, and judge how stupid and indeed, hateful they sound.

While effeminate men with bushy beards are a mildly bad influence on both boys and girls, every good parent knows that machoist bushily-bearded men are essentially outed serial predators... much like the closeted variety of "heterosexuals" who rape little girls. The only difference is that bushy-bearded male predators take pride in their conquest, and will generally exibit such pride with displays of leather, pink triangles, and the occasional physical altercation in defending their prey from theft or escape.
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This is a forum member who comes out of nowhere, slandering a segment of society without any evidence to back up these ludicrous and hateful assertions. I have no tolerance for this behavior, and indeed, Skeptic, I resent the insinuation that you feel I am acting in an unskeptical fashion as regards this issue.

I'm not even an 'effeminate homosexual' nor am I a 'masochist homosexual' - but as a gay male, American you have managed to convince me that you are without a doubt one of the most deluded and reprehensible members of this online community. In fact, were I American, I'd be embarassed that you choose the term 'American' to identify yourself.
 
The whole debate about where homosexuality comes from, is it genetic or not, whatever, is begging the question (yes! I finally got a chance to use the term correctly!) that sexual orientation is a distinct, discrete, fixed quality. What I'm getting at is that the whole concept of orientation--a person's sexual desire being pointed in a particular direction--it itself a completely modern idea. People didn't think about sexuality like that in the ancient world. "Caesar likes women" or "Caesar likes men" or "Caesar likes both men and women" is very different from "Caesar possess the characteristic that his sexual drive is [permanently] geared toward a particular sex". Sexual preference used to be precisely that; only now we speak in terms of "orientation". Sex went from being an activity chosen by the subject to becoming a biological drive that controls the subject.

Is anybody really gay? Is anybody really straight? Or are we all just people who happen to have particular tastes? Perhaps categorizing people by their preferences in such a fashion is giving them too much weight. Sexuality is more fluid than such concrete compartmentalization implies.
 
Skeptic said:
When teen pregnancy was considered a taboo, however, and not merely "another nontraditional family", significantly fewer teenage girls ruined their lives that way.
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What source do you base this on? I suppose it depends on how long ago you feel you have to go to define the time when "teen pregnancy was considered a taboo"? I don't think its really considered a brilliant Idea today.... As far back as I can find stats (on a quick search back to the late eighties) pregnancy rates have been declining significantly....How far back are you talking about and where do you get your data?
 
You know, I take it forgranted that all of you folks realize that I am talking out of my ass when I post these sorts of things, whatever the subject. Often times, I don't even really know what I believe about certain issues. Sometimes I am just floating ideas and seeing what happens. I'm just trying things out to see what I get back and then I can either discard an idea or rework it with the general intention of achieving a better understanding. However there are certain things which I have made up my mind. One of those is the idea that sex life between two consenting adults shouldn't be of concern to anyone else and I don't understand why it would be. I think having concerns about how other people conduct their sex lives is a symptom of a deep insecurity of some sort.
 
billydkid said:
You know, I take it forgranted that all of you folks realize that I am talking out of my ass when I post these sorts of things, whatever the subject. Often times, I don't even really know what I believe about certain issues. Sometimes I am just floating ideas and seeing what happens. I'm just trying things out to see what I get back and then I can either discard an idea or rework it with the general intention of achieving a better understanding. However there are certain things which I have made up my mind. One of those is the idea that sex life between two consenting adults shouldn't be of concern to anyone else and I don't understand why it would be. I think having concerns about how other people conduct their sex lives is a symptom of a deep insecurity of some sort.
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Billy, what you did was sniff out a rather mean troll. It's sort of like laying cheese in a mousetrap and waiting long enough to hear the "snap" of the bar.

DR
 
American said:
While effeminate gays are a mildly bad influence on both boys and girls, every good parent knows that machoist homosexuals are essentially outed serial predators... much like the closeted variety of "heterosexuals" who rape little girls. The only difference is that gay predators take pride in their conquest, and will generally exibit such pride with displays of leather, pink triangles, and the occasional physical altercation in defending their prey from theft or escape.
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Genius parody of the incoherent, disjointed bigoted mind, American! Keep up the good work.
 
TragicMonkey said:
The whole debate about where homosexuality comes from, is it genetic or not, whatever, is begging the question (yes! I finally got a chance to use the term correctly!) that sexual orientation is a distinct, discrete, fixed quality. What I'm getting at is that the whole concept of orientation--a person's sexual desire being pointed in a particular direction--it itself a completely modern idea. People didn't think about sexuality like that in the ancient world. "Caesar likes women" or "Caesar likes men" or "Caesar likes both men and women" is very different from "Caesar possess the characteristic that his sexual drive is [permanently] geared toward a particular sex". Sexual preference used to be precisely that; only now we speak in terms of "orientation". Sex went from being an activity chosen by the subject to becoming a biological drive that controls the subject.

Is anybody really gay? Is anybody really straight? Or are we all just people who happen to have particular tastes? Perhaps categorizing people by their preferences in such a fashion is giving them too much weight. Sexuality is more fluid than such concrete compartmentalization implies.
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I read that twice. Superb post. One question, I italicized the sentence that evoked it. Don't the biological drives inform the choice? The desire for sexual satisfaction, or the urge to pursue pleasure, seems to be hardwired into the species. (Yes, pun intended. ;) ) By bringing up the idea of an "elective" behavior, don't you immediately arrive at "what informs choice" and find rather quickly that "nurture" and social patterning is an input?

Your point that the stovepipe is a created phenomenon seems to me spot on.

DR
 
Antiquehunter said:
- but as a gay male, American you have managed to convince me that you are without a doubt one of the most deluded and reprehensible members of this online community. In fact, were I American, I'd be embarassed that you choose the term 'American' to identify yourself.
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Antique- I think of you first as a brave man contributing positively to the war effort, at great risk to yourself, in Afghanistan. Any dork can sit in the security of his livingroom armchair and spew hateful judgements about other aspects of your personal identity.
 
Darth Rotor said:
I read that twice. Superb post. One question, I italicized the sentence that evoked it. Don't the biological drives inform the choice? The desire for sexual satisfaction, or the urge to pursue pleasure, seems to be hardwired into the species. (Yes, pun intended. ;) ) By bringing up the idea of an "elective" behavior, don't you immediately arrive at "what informs choice" and find rather quickly that "nurture" and social patterning is an input?

Your point that the stovepipe is a created phenomenon seems to me spot on.

DR
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I don't know why I like the color green, but I do. Is it genetic? From a past association? An instinct? Something taught? Arbitrary selection? Something about my vision? Could I be brought to dislike it, or like another color better? Maybe, maybe not. We can never be certain where our feelings come from, or how "hardwired" they really are. Can we even be certain we're feeling what we think we're feeling? Do I really like green all that much? Maybe I'm just fooling myself. My car is blue, my sofa is blue, my favorite shirt is blue.

I don't think the origin of something is necessarily its most important feature, or even necessarily of interest at all. I'm a pragmatist: what's important is what is, and what you do with it now, not where it came from or why.
 
American said:
Girls still judge other girls just as harshly. No Christian influence, they are merely being competitive.





How exciting... sex without mystery. And if you think that shame is inhibitory, then no wonder you're gay. You will never understand what girls are looking for (which makes you even more gay, naturally). Shame is a motivator.


The queers will not rest until sex is nothing more than a repulsive anatomy lesson for all ages. No shame, no mystery.


TURNED ON, ladies? What great men you have waiting for you, once the faggots and dykes take over... setting ever-lower expectations for what you and your children truly deserve.


Both in public policy and personal relations, liberals trade people's futures for gay sex.
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Awesome trolling!
If you're not trolling, then you're probably a virgin and jealous of the uber promiscuous gay men next door to you.
 
American said:
Hate! :eek:

I shall flog myself with guilt!

Should I be sentenced to rehab? Or to re-education camp as Leftists would have it?
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No, that would be silly and un-American. Just like for being being racist, sexist, etc.
As long as you don't act on those beliefs in any illegal manner, I really don't care what you think/believe. (My favorite example: you should have a perfect right to believe that you may rob banks when you need money - and a perfect right to express that belief to others. BUT, you do not and should not have any right to act on that belief - and no right to act against others who believe differently.)
 
billydkid said:
I think having concerns about how other people conduct their sex lives is a symptom of a deep insecurity of some sort.
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I agree. As long as I pay my taxes and obey the law why should anyone care what I do sexually with another consenting adult?
 
American said:
Should I be sentenced to rehab? Or to re-education camp as Leftists would have it?
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Neither, but if you have a wife or girlfriend I'm sure she would you appreciate it if you weren't so obsessed with gay sex.
 
Marquis de Carabas said:
Well, if it's at all interesting, we may want videos.
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Hehehe....well I am a woman. Why is it that when most men think about two women together, they think it's hot, but when it's two men together they think it's disgusting?
 
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